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MartaSaturday 21st of May 2005 11:14:08 PM
Western Europe vs. Eastern Europe - hello,

I was quite surprised to found out that Poland is in Eastern Europe (EE) while Belarus (East from Poland - sic!) is in Western Europe(WE). Later I've checked and learnt that Croatia and San Marino are also in Eastern Euope while for example Greece is in Western. All what I've written is the division that is presented here in the PB discuss. Don't misunderstand me, I don't mind being in Eastern Europe! Not at all! I'm only intersted in how was that division made. Maybe the terms EE and WE don't concern the real geographical situation but it's something artifical, made just for the sake of politics? What do you think? I've heard that actually in Poland there's the georaphical center of Europe (however, that might not be true). I'm including the map to make to thing clear.
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tmoonSunday 22nd of May 2005 12:57:47 AM
- In the last 55 years or so, Eastern Europe has always meant "the former Soviet-controlled European nations". That's what it has always meant to me, even though I'm not really old enough to remember Soviet occupation of other now-independent Eastern European states (I was 4 years old when the Berlin Wall fell).

So Poland is in Eastern Europe, I'm certain about that. Greece is not in Eastern Europe. Belarus definitely is!

I'm not a big fan of actually using the words Eastern Europe - in saying it, it implies that whatever else I'm talking about has some sort of political meaning (when it usually doesn't). I usually refer to Eastern European countries as "the newest EU members", even though I know that's not the best way to describe them as some are not in the EU, and some newest EU members are not in Eastern Europe.

Other times, I'll just say "Eastern Europe" - and stress the "" in some way.


It's difficult... it depends on what you're trying to say.
keaFriday 27th of May 2005 07:59:54 PM
- [quote]In the last 55 years or so, Eastern Europe has always meant "the former Soviet-controlled European nations". That's what it has always meant to me
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That leaves Germany a mistery since the eastern half of it was under Soviet control. :p

MartaFriday 27th of May 2005 10:20:57 PM
- [quote]Originally posted by kea
That leaves Germany a mistery since the eastern half of it was under Soviet control. :p
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Right, Kea! The same thought occured to me when reading that...
tmoonSaturday 04th of June 2005 07:38:11 PM
- Yeah... I try and avoid talking about Germany when answering that question :D...
MartaSunday 05th of June 2005 05:08:13 PM
- Ok. So what about Croatia and San MArino? The first one seems to be so much pro-western nowadays and the latter simply is in WE,isn't it?
tmoonSunday 05th of June 2005 09:08:45 PM
- [quote]Originally posted by MartaOk. So what about Croatia and San MArino?...[/quote]I don't know, I've never been to either place :).

I'd say Croatia is eastern. Like many other 'eastern' nations it is pro-western, but that doesn't stop it from being eastern...

Eastern doesn't = backward or repressed... Eastern = used to be seen as backward or repressed but is better now :).


(It's so hard not to offend people whilst explaining this - sorry, that's really not the aim at all :D.)
keaTuesday 28th of June 2005 07:05:07 PM
- I think that because of the communistic regime in so many European countries everybody calles those countries the East of Europe and rest of the countries the West of it. I think here the words east and west have a bit of a different meaning from their real meaning. But I also think that as time goes by and the communism in Europe goes more and more in the past this will change and there will rather be western, easter, southern and northern Europe. Because I think Croatia and Greece for example are rather the southern countries of Europe than eastern and western. And Scandinavia is more like northern Europe than western.
And for example for us Estonians it has always been a bit weird to be the eastern Europe when we actually feel more like northern or northeastern Europe. So go figure... :p
Complicated indeed.