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KatjaFriday 24th of September 2004 01:11:53 AM
Opinions on current American politics/government anyone? - Just curious what people from other countries, (or here in the US), think about it.

diarmuidhFriday 24th of September 2004 03:56:02 AM
- That we are living in times where an American govt is completely lacking diplomacy with it's European allies in tackling in some of the most important issues of the day! That is the division the US created about the Iraq war and which continues today ie Old Europe versus new Europe bullsh**! It is very sad!
AnyaFriday 24th of September 2004 04:58:39 AM
- I normally wouldnít say anything in a political discussion, but I have something to say this time.

I agree, US has overstepped the line several times in its foreign policy and relations! To make things worse, the initiation of this "phase" of a "war on terror" is a blindfolded ďstab in the darkĒ manner to approach a tragedy of our multinational world. It makes me cringe that the intent is to make ANYone safer by such a strategy!
[quote]"Yes, let's go out and wage a war with something we don't know the exact dimensions of. Who cares why they are doing any of this, they are after us so we have a perfect excuse and can do whatever we want. Letís do anything and everything that gets us closer to the pipeline, really. Better yet let's step on ANY values we can crush in the process, let's single out religions and define a supreme one while we are at it. Let's see if that will make "the enemy" cower in their caves. yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds like a good plan, good plan. Because WE (our nation) is RIGHTeous and everyONE ELSE is wrong!" [/quote] I am being facetious here of course, but thatís what it looks like from my politically impartial, rather unqualified and enraged corner. No politician is saying what Iím trying to hear, which is an alternative to creating MORE problems for everyone and instead preventing things like Beslan and 9/11, kidnappings and beheadings of innocent civilians. We are sending our young to die for a cause that doesnít involve peace. Driving people into revenge mode and to go against their own religious values (at all costs) is just NOT a way to do things!

How ill thought out is this approach!? Itís like going to move a hill of fire ants and then letting it rage in all directions instead. If it can't sit there quietly on our soil, let's share the pain with everyone. (Enranged ants multiply, but a quiet ant hill only makes more formic acid for itself and doesn't use it as a weapon!)

Just look at the INCREASE in the terror activity since these actions? Do we NOT know whatís written in the terrorist manuals? Of course we do, where are the CULTURAL analysts in all of this? Why are we coming down to the level of "global tyrants" and fanning the flames of atrocities? The sad thing is that the decisions are coming from "above" so the respectful tax-paying citizens have little to do until they can vote. And itís still a long time until then, when everyone has ample time to be brainwashed. Iím sick and tired of propaganda that hinges on "he-said/he-said it first /and I'm still better" strategy with no actual arguments or differences!

The government is terrorising it's own... just look at the Patriot Act? Why should my foreign-born male colleagues in chemistry cower at the thought that they picked "the wrong" profession and that they can be shipped out of the country for NO reason just because they work with chemicals to develop new drugs to help in the care of patients??

Itís just too upsetting for words! I am appalled at whatís going on in the world today.

~I step down from my soapbox now~
BananaHamsterMonday 04th of October 2004 05:43:37 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by bipŤde


There is just no words to qualify the US politic and the US war in Iraq. I'm sick of this.

Bush and Ben Laden are brothers. They have the same stupid ridiculous speech. US didn't save anyone this time. As always the bombs have just killed people without discrimination, no matter their age, sex or opinion.

Americans soldiers just fight and die to protect the financial interests of some rich americans. This is worse for people of Iraq who see their women and children die. Hate is growing, giving more and more power to the fanatics of each sides.

All this just because a little group of half-witted have seized power in the US...
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I disagree with some of what you wrote. I believe that some sort of conflict was inevitible. By this, I mean a major terrorist attack on a US city would happen at some point. Of course, the retalition of the US would be a natural response as well. In this case it was the invasion of Afganistan. However, the Iraq invasion, while removing a horrible dictator from power, may have done far more harm than good.

The US turned its back on major longtime allies and ignored the UN's refusal to grant its approval for the war. The moral reasons (to free the land from a dictator), become remarkably inconsistent when up pulled across the line of international politic. For example, why was Iraq chosen instead of North Korea? North Korea has proven concentration camps and its people are eating paper. Of course, North Korea has nowhere near the natural resources of Iraq and a much better military. Iraq was a better target out of pure self intrest, thus the "do the right thing" arguement is simply a straw man, much like the "weapons of mass destruction".

I could go on and on, but I think that is enough.
sendinSaturday 09th of October 2004 09:57:24 AM
minority viewpoint - I am from Kalifornia and surrounded by leftists (politely and incorrectly called liberals here). I would be considered a right wing conservative. I am used to being among the politial minority here. Most of my neighbors will vote for Kerry. I will vote for Bush, unfortunately, because Kerry frightens me more than Bush. The only politician I like is Ron Paul and maybe to a slighty lesser extent - Alan Keyes. The former is too smart to run for president and the other was just lucky that the press would NEVER give him a chance. If he had created some significant interest he would've died in a mysterious jet accident before the next falsified poll.

I see the war on terror as an attempt to protect the US dollar. Too much oil is trading in Euros and this scares the multi-national banker monopoly that have thrown in their support for Fed Res funny money. You cannot have a strong fiat currency with fractional reserve banking practices without it being strongly tied to a life-blood commodity. Most Americans don't understand money. They think it is about "oil" and they think there is some big difference between Republicans and Democrats. If you study this, it quickly becomes a laughable proposition.

The Bush crime syndicate (it has a better name, but this one will do) and the Kerry "one-worlders" (slavish minions of an equally big crime syndicate with the face of the UN) are two sides of the same bad coin.

I would suggest to those who have posted here, that they read anything they can lay their hands on by Ron Paul from Texas and also read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. I also recommend the "War on Freedom" by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed.

I am sorry, but I find most Bush-hating leftist arguments about politics and their support for Kerry pathetic and uninformed.

While neither camp of criminals running the US and its military is desireable, for those of us that live in the US, Europe and elsewhere, a Kerry presidency at this time is slightly more dangerous for anyone who wants to stem the tide of genocide by governments, economic and political slavery.




RheinlanderSunday 17th of October 2004 09:32:47 PM
- I say let's reinstate Saddam Hussein. So what if he systematically murdered and tortured thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. So what if he used chemical weapons to burn the flesh off of thousands of Kurdish families.

It's like in WWII. We should never have interfered with Hitler's genocide, because we killed some civilians in the process. We should just leave genocidal maniacs alone to murder millions, because we might kill a hundred. Damn those Americans!!! Next thing you know they'll claim they protected Western Europe from the Soviet Union.
BananaHamsterMonday 18th of October 2004 01:19:58 AM
- ^^ Thanks for the voice from the fringe. Carry on.
BananaHamsterMonday 18th of October 2004 01:21:30 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by sendin


I am from Kalifornia and surrounded by leftists (politely and incorrectly called liberals here). I would be considered a right wing conservative. I am used to being among the politial minority here. Most of my neighbors will vote for Kerry. I will vote for Bush, unfortunately, because Kerry frightens me more than Bush. The only politician I like is Ron Paul and maybe to a slighty lesser extent - Alan Keyes. The former is too smart to run for president and the other was just lucky that the press would NEVER give him a chance. If he had created some significant interest he would've died in a mysterious jet accident before the next falsified poll.

I see the war on terror as an attempt to protect the US dollar. Too much oil is trading in Euros and this scares the multi-national banker monopoly that have thrown in their support for Fed Res funny money. You cannot have a strong fiat currency with fractional reserve banking practices without it being strongly tied to a life-blood commodity. Most Americans don't understand money. They think it is about "oil" and they think there is some big difference between Republicans and Democrats. If you study this, it quickly becomes a laughable proposition.

The Bush crime syndicate (it has a better name, but this one will do) and the Kerry "one-worlders" (slavish minions of an equally big crime syndicate with the face of the UN) are two sides of the same bad coin.

I would suggest to those who have posted here, that they read anything they can lay their hands on by Ron Paul from Texas and also read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. I also recommend the "War on Freedom" by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed.

I am sorry, but I find most Bush-hating leftist arguments about politics and their support for Kerry pathetic and uninformed.

While neither camp of criminals running the US and its military is desireable, for those of us that live in the US, Europe and elsewhere, a Kerry presidency at this time is slightly more dangerous for anyone who wants to stem the tide of genocide by governments, economic and political slavery.[/quote]

Nice informed viewpoint from a an obviously thoughtful person. I will follow up on this and give my own viewpoint later.
BananaHamsterMonday 18th of October 2004 01:24:39 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by Rheinlander


I say let's reinstate Saddam Hussein. So what if he systematically murdered and tortured thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. So what if he used chemical weapons to burn the flesh off of thousands of Kurdish families.

It's like in WWII. We should never have interfered with Hitler's genocide, because we killed some civilians in the process. We should just leave genocidal maniacs alone to murder millions, because we might kill a hundred. Damn those Americans!!! Next thing you know they'll claim they protected Western Europe from the Soviet Union. [/quote]

Don't fool yourself that Iraq is a mission for the greater good. Please stop the hysteric topic crossing. It's cute, but little else.
ticoWednesday 03rd of November 2004 01:19:16 PM
- I think it's really sad that Bush won the election today. After the past 4 years of an American Foreign Policy that shows that they are willing to abandon International Law to achieve an agenda that benefits such a small percentage of the world ... its just unthinkable.
HisGirlFridayThursday 04th of November 2004 09:08:48 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Rheinlander


I say let's reinstate Saddam Hussein. So what if he systematically murdered and tortured thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. So what if he used chemical weapons to burn the flesh off of thousands of Kurdish families.

It's like in WWII. We should never have interfered with Hitler's genocide, because we killed some civilians in the process. We should just leave genocidal maniacs alone to murder millions, because we might kill a hundred. Damn those Americans!!! Next thing you know they'll claim they protected Western Europe from the Soviet Union. [/quote]


What the hell!!? I'm sorry! That is the most horrific comment i have heard in a long time! "We should never have interfered with Hitler's genocide, because we killed some civilians in the process." What are you talking about!? Millions and millions of Jewish civilians were killed! It is not just "SOME". That's just horrible, horrible and i am shocked!


I vote for Bush because I saw more of the moral issues in Bush than i saw in Kerry in topics such as religion and health care. I believe that abortion will always be murder and it should not be legalized. Once a fetus is concieved it has all the potential wiring to be a human being. cutting off a life force of any thing that has a heartbeat or the ability to breath is murder.
There are just many other things, but i would not like to bring them up and start a fuss with anyone. Simply, i just believe that this country needs to keep a solid foundation of morals and believes because too much outlandish change can bring down a country if every single person gets what they want. Certain ethics and practices get erraticated.
I'm just more or less sick of this country. I'm sick of not being able to mention God or Jesus in school but the muslims can go of and pray at their certain times. In many schools, God has been taken out of the pledge of allegiance because it offends people and it's to much of 'religion' in schools!
And it is said that this whole dilema of christianity being offensive began in the 60's with the democratical communists who were in office ( not that all democrates are communists. Many of them were just known to practice communism back then.) And even though i understand the 'seperation between church and state', i believe that we need a republican who is going to make Christianity not such an 'insulting' religion. Maybe someday my kids will be able to say merry christmas in schools instead of happy holidays.
Some people say that Bush is tredding on the seperation of church and state, i say: tread as much as you like.


wow, what a rant. Sorry. I got in a moment. No need to really comment because i may get angry. no offense.
HayleySaturday 06th of November 2004 05:19:50 PM
- I hate George Bush. Sorry, had to say it :)
Do you know who I would vote for? Michael Moore. Now there is a worthy candidate. Anyways Americas got enough problems of its own. I really dont want to get all contoversial cos I will get my head bitten off by some patriotic American (the world is not lacking in any of them) so I will just say PEACE OUT :D


tmoonSunday 07th of November 2004 02:19:11 PM
- HisGirlFriday, I think Rheinlander was being satirical there ;)...

Personally, I'm not a Bush fan. However I'm not that impressed with Kerry either, but if I was American I would have voted Kerry and would have been annoyed that I had to as I see him as the lesser of two evils...
rbrumaMonday 08th of November 2004 04:38:41 AM
- No matter what the differences of opinion are, I guess we all (Americans and non-Americans) should agree that there's something rotten in the American foreign policy after WWII.

I mean, if you want to take upon your shoulders the burden of being the lawgiver of the entire world, you should expect consequences to come up, even if you have the most angelic intentions (and I think this is hardly the case here). I was astonished to see the terrorist atack on the WTC towers. But I was even more astonished to see the reactions of the American officials... their total amazement... like they would never thought this can happen. For me, it's unbelievable. It's like going in the African jungle and remain speechless when you get malaria...

I read somewhere the latest address issued by bin Laden and although I am totally opposing its prehistoric means of acquiring justice, he said something very reasonable (in my opinion): "Why did we not attack Sweden?" Indeed, why?


BananaHamsterTuesday 09th of November 2004 12:16:01 AM
- You can't wash away blood with blood. Bin Laden wanted a war between the west and Islam. He may soon get his wish with the help of Bush.
TJTJTuesday 09th of November 2004 10:06:50 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by Rheinlander


I say let's reinstate Saddam Hussein. So what if he systematically murdered and tortured thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. So what if he used chemical weapons to burn the flesh off of thousands of Kurdish families.

It's like in WWII. We should never have interfered with Hitler's genocide, because we killed some civilians in the process. We should just leave genocidal maniacs alone to murder millions, because we might kill a hundred. Damn those Americans!!! Next thing you know they'll claim they protected Western Europe from the Soviet Union. [/quote]

Plz stop whit this crap.. You guys never found any chemical weapons and you never will. besides Iraq is in a bigger mess than whit saddam. And let me guesse, you are not going 2 clean it up?

I think US hase some good political points and some bad.
What i do like is the amican dream. What i dont like is that you can buy a gun. This creates a greater fear and crime rate then there would be whit out guns. What i also dont like is that when i and my familie would lived in the US that my grandma would still have worked in the grossery shop to make the mony needed for all the medical bills. whit other words, The US can get a bit ''unsocial'' at some points
TJTJThursday 11th of November 2004 04:11:42 AM
- I am really intersted in what the main reason is why you voted for Bush ore Kerry. My view at your reasons are very basic. If i could vote i would vote for Micheal m. Bush is way to ego centric prick to have so much influense on the rest of the world. Besides the US has a lot of problems on there own.
romulusMonday 22nd of November 2004 06:45:46 PM
global politics - Greetings All Who Read This
Its been a bit of a pet topic for me over the last few years, this global politics garbage.But let me first start in my view point by simplifying Matthew 7:21-23. In this verse of the gospels, it basically say's, that ALOT of people are going to say they have done the things they have done in the name of good and peace, but BUGGER ALL will have told the truth in making that very same claim. Now i know that in the bible, this is all related to the man JESUS. But you have to take what jesus said to a higher level, to know what he is talking about.
Now on both sides, in this global war on terror, you have a god. The very same god even, if you beleive in god to begin with. Having said this, any country with laws, has based these laws on what their interpretation of what god expects of them is.
Sounds of the track? well i'll draw you some lines then.
Even Hitler claimed to be doing things in the name of god. Why? because he believed in the holy roman empire, and wanted to see europe united under one ruler, who aligned himself to the ALL MIGHTY. Todays politicians do much the same, with their push for global democracy, and it would only seem natural in selection, that the oldest democracy would be the guidline, role model, and therefore leader, of a global empire of individual democracies. Heres where the fun begins though. As many would know, minority groups are subjected to mass scrutiny, and propaganda, to keep them minority groups. We should all know by now, that communism only ever failed, because democracy killed it. There was absolutely nothing untoward about communism, apart from the fact that as a consequence of having to fight countless unessesary battles and manufacture weapons to keep invaders such as democratic institutions at arms length, the government forgot that there were people in their countries. It's the same in Iraq when you look at it long enough. The embargo's and sanctions that stoped the nations growth, especially seeing as how the middle east is renowned for its technological breakthroughs over the past few thousand years, crippled it, and made it necessary for that particular nation to "GRAB WHAT IT COULD FROM WHO EVER IT COULD" be it the Russians, the French, smuggled across the borders of Iran, or directly from people like Bin Laden himself. So on both sides, it seems one thing is constant here, MUTUALLY ASSURED TERRORISM. So now i would like to get closer to the REAL terrorism that is going on in the world.
Now a dog can only be kicked for so long until it bites you, is this not a given? So the united nations go on about equality and peace, and acceptance of other cultures, while the individual members of the u.n.,continue to oppress these less fortunate countries, by exploiting the difference in trade units and wages, and ripping off these same counties for their natural resources. Its common knowledge that Russia had an agreement with Iraq, to produce oil there. But the U.S, seeing this as a threat simillar to when Russia made a fortune from the titanium market a few years ago, saw they needed to protect their dollar, and used a smoke screen of excuses, to block Russia from controlling more of the worlds oil market than themselves, which would at this time, have crippled their economy due to the stength of the Euro. Iraq, also trading in Euro, were also set to finally be able to build decent schools and hospitals, power utilities, and quite possibly, tourism( the iraqi museum WAS second to none in the respect of ancient civilized crafts and relics).This is the real reason Saddam is locked away, with no access to his side of the events which preceeded this latest offensive. Now none of us like to admit we are wrong. It takes a brave man to admit fault. But better that man be brave and live by the truth, than cower behind a life of lies. Whats my point? Bill Clinton is my point here. By far, THE bravest man to have graced politics i beleive, since Abraham Lincoln, stood aside after declaring to his people, that he had lied and made a mistake. Now this man has done something unheard of by any leader i've ever read or heard about. He admitted an error, and APPOLOGISED to the people, for setting a bad example. Now should he have been impeached? I dont believe so. Was he a better president than what the americans have to choose from now? Yes. Because in the end, the truth mattered more to him, than defending a lie, and making the truthful side the lieing demon. Would there be a war in Iraq now under Clinton? I don't believe so. If he stood again and i was an American,i would give him my trust in a second, because he has shown his humanity to everyone. So i've touched on some of the basic ground roots issues concerning this global calamity termed terrorism, and all i have to say now is how do we fix it? We all should have a theory on how to make things better, but most people see a problem, have an idea, but are stopped in their tracks by things that are involved, that they had no idea were even in the slightest bit related. So its virtually impossible, i must say, to fix the political frame work, democratic or otherwise, without first analysing and deconstructing it piece by piece. The biggest issues we face, are starving and dehydrated masses, epidemics, and land maintanance and distribution. Related issues, being education, health and energy sciences. Now starting here, we can see that all people should be of equal proportion. So where does it go wrong? One word. "GREED". Closely associated with this word is the word "CONTROL". And we all should know what word comes from the amalgamation of those two words, "POWER". So what makes a man aspire to be "ALL POWERFULL"? TERROR! Most people who stand over others, have been proven by case studies, to have been victimised, bullied, ignored, unloved, and in a scence, mentally terrorised. So what your tought is what you end up being it would seem. Is Osama Bin Laden, a terrorist, or an activist? Is Saddam Hussein a dictator, or a revolutionary? Was in fact, George Washington, a traitor, or a visionary? How can the uninformed make a determination or even distinguish between the two, when the greatest minds in history have never agreed either? Be the best you can be they say. So does that mean that the poor should be happy that they can only be the best of poorest people, while the riches of the world determine what kind of world they all should come to live in? No i say. Thats terrorism. Thats slavery. Thats unfair. So we have answered the question on how to fix the world have we? Far from it. First, the attitudes of those who stand to loose the most, being those with political influence and personal wealth, must be aligned with the importance of them accepting that their decisions, are ultimately affecting more people in a negative way than a positive, even if the unwise dont know it. By this i mean, some one who starts something, isn't always there at the end to see the damage they have started on global fronts. Did Einstein after all, envisage the mass desrtuction his little formula would start, and is he here to see the fingers on their respective nuclear buttons? I think not to both. America's power companies, built the electric chair, but did they see innocent men sitting in them? I know i could not have that on my list of achievements. But so what? Should i even care for the simple fact is, i was born dead, and none of this is important to me, beacause it cannot change the fact that one day i will be a rotting corpse. Ah, but thats where the beauty of the way they have entangled religion gets you. They claim all things for the good of the many and for the glory of god, that we all may see a resurection through the guidence of their "EDUCATED" policies and decrees. The forty virgins, or the seat at christs grand council, or whatever they have based their constitutions on. And so we obey them, thinking they have all the answers concerning whats right and wrong, good or bad, thinking that through them, we may have a chance at living forever somewhere else.
Now i do believe in a resurection, but i have also read and for some time, studied various texts concerning god and his intentions, according to many religious groups such as mormons, jehovas witnesses, muslims and hindu's and many more that have been releavant to enquire to, and the same message comes from virtually all of them. That of Matthew 7:21-23. Regardless of who they believe in in the great stage of gospel actors, and under various names and guises, they all claim that the other is practising their faith incorrectly and are wrongly claiming alliance to the true creator. In this sence, the prophecy is true when it says, that god has acknowledged none of those who in their pomp and lust for power, forgot who was really important here. That being humanity in general.So the resurection does dicriminate, and not all are entitled to it is the message. God did not discriminate in the bible that i am aware of, on just who were isrealites. Remember, acording to the word, we are all sons of noahs three sons, making us cousins from the start. The only difference which was mentioned, was the act of loyalty given from a particular family member, who is the namesake of the country now called isreal. So in essence, we are all isrealites, however, not all jewish, as only the tribe or family line of judah, are jews. But its not the jews that get the reward in the end is it, its the isrealite. So this prophecy has got the world religious orders all uptight, and not knowing how to calm it down. Religious clerics, are only half to blame, and the political the other half. on their own, they seem harmless, together, unstoppable.
So after all this almost unlinkable information that off the top of my head, i've been ispired to "Babylon" about, who do i blame for the current state of affairs that is gripping humanity?
I Blame You The Everyday Citazen!!! I count myself among you when i say this,because we are the ones with the majority, yet we stand and take no action. I would be happy at this point in time, if the worlds farmers decided to increase the price of produce to a point that is so unaffordable, that shopping centres and chains could not afford to stock them. I couldn't care less if they outright refused to produce for anyone but themselves, because in my country at least, the government has forced most farmers to mortgage their land to take a government loan, so there is food on the tables at night. I would be even happier, if the world factory workers, and all the other minor job titles went on a global strike, to show just how much power a man has. But i dont want to think like this, because i just sound like one of them, trying to terrorise the terrorists by not giving them what they want, when all i want is to see people ultimately get what they deserve, and thats the truth, and with it , their freedom. I'm sorry if i've bored anyone with my views on the subject, but like i said earlier, i can only be the one i was tought to be, and if some of my information is incorrect or blurred, i appologise, and hope that any truth you may encounter by proving me false, benefits you in a way greater than the information thats been flashed before our closed eyes.
Truth is wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge. Knowledge is freedom. Freedom is peace. Peace is truth.
P.s. All puntuation and spelling mistakes are due to the fact the writting window is so bloody tiny. Cheers

jeffThursday 25th of November 2004 10:51:35 AM
- My good friend has highly recommended me reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin.. it's on my to-read list. I understand the jist, which is that JD Rockerfeller and a few of his cronies way back when, set up a feifdom system in the US whereby all us subserviant shleps 99% of the population would have to work our entire life just to makes ends meet and to keep the wealthy and powerful in power... a well thought out intricate ecomomic plan of keeping a carrot out in front of everyone.

My friend see's this a diabolic plot of the man keeping us down, that we are all just slaves... but I argue, no you are not, you have the freedom to choose if you want to play in that game.. some of us chose not and go sailing.

The other point the book makes apparently, is that as of the late 70's, (or around then), they de-pegged the value of the US dollar from Gold. It used to be that for every US dollar the fed printed, there was an equivalent value of that amount in gold at Fort Knox...

Well, they kinda gave up on that idea. Someone decided it was easier to just print dollars without having to account for an equivalent tangible item of value to back it up. Like running up a credit card without care for how it will get paid. Hey, that's the "American Way".

Of US Politics, Let me see if I can understand this... Ok, we have thousands of people around the world who hate the US, their whole goal in life is to kill Americans and bring down the country. In the 4 years since Bush took office, this number has..... ohhhh, quintupled? Septupled?

Osama Bin Laden admits to 911 but he's still cranking out videos and recruiting *real* terrorists. Well, we can't get him.. be we can start a war in Iraq, invade their country unprovoked and unthreatened, because... well, we don't like their dictator... He's on the evil side, he lied and played games on us. But, ok at least we are rooting those *terrorists* out of their cells and killing em right? wrong.

Every Bush supporter should consider how they would react if Saudi Arabia, just as an exmaple, decided to occupy oh, let's just say Texas. Two Arabic speaking guys with AK 47's patting you down each time you go into pick up your morning coffee at Starbucks. Hey, don't get them wrong, they aren't going to stay, they are actually going to pump a lot of money into Dallas... They're going to remove your mayor and senators from office, put in new leaders. Tear down some of those ugly skyscrapers and put up some big expensive mosques.. some hooka bars and the like... and of course, the women will have to cover up now. Maybe you would be labeled a terrorist. There are indeed real terrorists against the US. Bush sold you on the idea that that's who we are fighting in Iraq. It's not. You've been had.

The US dollar is devaluing at the rate of usedgolfballs.com stock price in early 2000. Hey, maybe people understand it has no real backing afterall. White collar jobs are shipping over to India and China as fast and easily as illegal immigrants are walking into the US across the Mexican border... but hey, let's at least give them a drivers license so they can get around while they stay in the US illegally. And throw in some free health care. I pay $365 a month in health care and never use it, that's not exorbitant is it? Sure, go ahead, put some illegal immigrants on my tab.

But forget these issues.. these are "non-issues"... the REAL issue is this.... gay marriage! Now THAT is an issue! This about it... two gay people marrying each other, what if they move in next door and put up a rainbow flag. We can't sit back and let THAT happen... Good GOD! Good thing we have our priorities straight.



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JohnnyCrowSaturday 22nd of January 2005 05:06:01 PM
... - [quote]Originally posted by Rheinlander


I say let's reinstate Saddam Hussein. So what if he systematically murdered and tortured thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. So what if he used chemical weapons to burn the flesh off of thousands of Kurdish families.

It's like in WWII. We should never have interfered with Hitler's genocide, because we killed some civilians in the process. We should just leave genocidal maniacs alone to murder millions, because we might kill a hundred. Damn those Americans!!! Next thing you know they'll claim they protected Western Europe from the Soviet Union. [/quote]

Now, I'm pretty sure this was sarcasm. At least I hope so. Why would an American be saying "Damn those Americans!!!" Instead he would say "Damn us Americans!!!" if he really meant it.

Being a Texan and a conservative, I am glad Bush is in office. And his sarcastic post was a good point. The thing I hear most from the Democrats is "we are killing innocent people with the war and we are killing our soldiers." Well, seeing as how the soldiers joined to army to protect America, and how 3 out of 4 soldiers are Republicans and voted for Bush, I think they were proud to die serving Americans. And for the killing of innocent people: if we left him in power, he would kill more of his our people (that are innocent) than we did in the war. Plus, if you look at the news, you will see how glad the Iraqis are that we took Saddam out of power (hint: the Iraqis beating up Saddam's statue).
KleeSThursday 03rd of March 2005 11:59:48 AM
- Now i know this is an old topic so i don't know whether its still open for discussion?

The sad thing is that people will make opinions based on what that see and hear but not on what they know - and i confess that I am a culprit of this because how can you know personally all that goes on in the world?

How do we know that TV reports are not staged - for those people hitting the statue how many more were upset by the overthrow of Saddam? His supporters I suppose. I'm not saying that the Iraq war should/should not be happening but it has. And biased reports will also always be an issue for any topic.

Someone once told me that long ago we divided the territorial borders of countries and made people live where conflict was bound to occur and then we left well alone...but now when the mess starts again we want to give our two pence too. Sometimes I hate being British...

It seems that wherever there are rulers"democracy" people will disagree and yes probably rightly so - unfortunately someone has to take charge and try their best to sort out the mess the person before left behind. Unfortunately it all seems rather never ending and that is scary.

Unfortunately we don't seem to have the power to do anything about it - insignificant as we are (so much for being in the most influential countries in the world!)