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tinkerbThursday 03rd of February 2005 12:04:47 PM
Grammar Discussion - Hi Benny and other students!

If possible, I'm very interested in brushing up on passive forms and how to use them. In speaking with my former Indonesian professor earlier today, she said I missed a few key passive statements.

So, I was hoping that someone might have time to give a brief summary, and perhaps later on, a few sample exercises?

Your time and energy is really appreciated!!
bennylinTuesday 08th of February 2005 02:11:57 PM
- passive is always interested subject.

summary:

for noun,
1. every noun started with prefix di- and ter- make the noun become passive (disayang, difitnah, terjatuh, termakan). While ter- means that the action is unplanned, di- means the othehrwise (most of the time)

2. every sentece using noun above is passive sentence. straigh forward enough. (saya mau [i[disayang; secara tidak sengaja uang logam itu termakan oleh adik)

3. passive sentence don't always need object. (transitive sentence). you can have object (optional) for sentece with di- only, you can't have object with ter- (because ter- is not unplanned, so the subject of the action is the object itself).
eg:
saya dimarahi oleh ibu ~ [active] ibu memarahi saya
(passive:? active: mother is mad at me)
jari saya teriris. [active - none]
(passive: i cut myself (not on purpose))


...
more to come

tinkerbMonday 14th of February 2005 10:39:50 AM
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Thanks, Benny!

If you have some free time, would you post a mini-test here where we have to pick whether it should be passive or active voice?

That would be quite helpful, and you can specify whether you want answers in a pm or in the form.

:) Terima kasih!
bennylinSaturday 19th of February 2005 08:54:15 AM
- another affix that makes a verb base passive in Indonesia is

'ke-an'

for example
candu -> kecanduan - addicted
e.g. Saya sudah kecanduan internet semenjang datang ke Amerika Serikat
lupa -> kelupaan - forgot
e.g. Orang yang tua sering kali kelupaan barang-barang bawaannya


but 'ke-an' doesn't always make a verb base passive. other behaviour of 'ke-an' is make a noun from a verb (this will come on another thread).

so, give use example for passive voice using 'ke-' + '-an' that you can found in Indonesian language

mini-test coming soon
chudoriFriday 03rd of June 2005 03:41:06 PM
common passive form - Another common passive form is the first person inseparable passive form. It can also be used in second and third person.

For example:

I am looking for a policeman

Active - Saya mencari seorang polisi

Passive - Seorang polisi dicari (saya)

First person inseparable passive - Seorang polisi saya cari

I have forgotten many words

Active - Saya sudah melupakan banyak kata

Passive - banyak kata sudah dilupakan (saya)

First person inseparable passive - ada banyak kata yang sudah saya lupakan

Anyy suggestions or comments?

RenanFriday 10th of June 2005 04:11:11 PM
Passive voice! in Indonesia - The final-term was finished by me
- Ujian akhir telah diselesaikan oleh saya
I have finished the Final-term
+ Saya telah menyeleseikan Ujian akhir
Do i finished the final-term?
? Apakah saya telah menyelesaikan Ujian akhir?

that's it!

hey Benny help me! i get busy with my Lesson! do you think... you need the other Indonesian Phrase?


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bennylinSaturday 11th of June 2005 12:10:00 PM
- Well, do you still have another phrases that haven't been posted here? My planning for now is the audio files, but I will gladly help you if you want to post phrases that you've written, but haven't been posted here.

If that's the case, you can send me the text-files or the address (if it's on your site or other people's site)

Or you mean that you're going to make some PASSIVE phrases, is that what you mean?