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MarjaMonday 25th of October 2004 01:57:19 AM
Fugl - How do you pronounce the word "Fugl" meaning bird? Is the 'g' silent?
Peter fra LAMonday 25th of October 2004 02:26:45 AM
- Yes the g is silent in this word.

Norwegian phonetics: /fu:l/
American-English phonetics: /FEWL/
MarjaMonday 25th of October 2004 03:02:29 PM
Takk! :) - Takk Peter! That's great! :)
lee_uk007Monday 25th of October 2004 08:40:54 PM
norweign - u r sooooo fit. anyhoo, mit navn er lee, wanna help me with norweign anyone?
Peter fra LATuesday 26th of October 2004 11:22:02 AM
- Lee, start here: http://www.phrasebase.c../../discuss/read.php?TID=1166
Peter fra LATuesday 26th of October 2004 11:23:27 AM
- One last note on pronunciation.

Near the bottom of this message http://www.phrasebase.c../../discuss/read.php?TID=1166 I have added Minor Modifications to the PDF file I am using for a guide to speaking. Pay close attention to the section of the post on double consonants and short and long vowels.

In this case fugl /fu:l/ is a long u vowel. The short vowel form /ful/ could give the Norwegian the impression you mean the word "Drunk/Intoxicated" -- many a good laugh could be had from that error I am sure!

Have fun with the long vowel, you will look like you are kissing the air holding your lips to make the norwegian sound for u. Try holding it 2 to 3 times longer than you are used to.
KellendilWednesday 01st of December 2004 02:16:21 PM
- in many "nynorsk" dialects, including my own, the g isn't silent though :)

in my dialect i pronounce "fugl"aproxomatly like this: fohgl

confused yet? ;)
eriknnMonday 03rd of January 2005 02:57:24 PM
- Even worse in my dialect (I'm from Trondheim).. I would actually say "fuggel" which a thick l.
HoogardMonday 17th of January 2005 08:57:55 PM
- It isn't silent in swedish i might add.
Peter fra LAFriday 28th of January 2005 01:45:25 AM
Dialects -
Thats a problem we have with learning Norwegian from dialects such as Nynorsk. Pronunciation is less standardised. That is why I always recommend learning Bokmål first.

Our best dictionary, Einar Haugen's Norwegian English Dictionary is a snapshot of the Norwegian language from the 1960's. Any newer changes to the language, especially evident with modern technology words, are evident as being severely lacking.

Fug'l is also listed as a nynorsk word in Haugen's. To cross-check pronunciations, I use the LEXIN project which lists pronunciation guides for Bokmål words.

G, is a strongly pronounced word for English speakers and only when combined with other leters such as GH, goes silent as in "might". What is not listed in either Haugen's or LEXIN is when norwegian G's go silent or are swallowed (near silent).

For reference, the LEXIN fugl entry:

Cross reference with fuktig for Bokmål oppslagsord entry comparison:

Cross reference with fuge for Bokmål oppslagsord entry comparison:

Peter fra LASunday 30th of January 2005 04:16:53 AM
Bokmål -

I programmed a new keyboard driver so I can enter letters with dots indicating silence/swallowed. UNICODE failed to define g with dot below, so I have to use g with dot above. Other silent letters would be t with dot below, d with dot below, etc ( ṭ ḍ ).

fuġ´l [*fug´l] -en bird.

Ok what this says is fugl has a silent or swallowed "g" ( ġ ) in Bokmål, with the stress and length in the word indicated with the ´ character.

* indicates an alternative pronouncement in Nynorsk where the g is pronounced.

All compounds in Bokmål also follow the same rules:

fuġ´l/bur birdcage
fuġ´l/hunḍ bird dog
fuġ´l/skremsel scarecrow