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Peter fra LAFriday 08th of October 2004 11:28:37 PM
How to Speak -

PRONUNCIATION: GENERAL

Converting any spoken form to writing is problematic. From history, we learn that the current modern form of English has an incomplete alphabet for its own sounds let alone considering representing the sounds of other languages (The italic alphabet was introduced through Ireland when Latin and Christianity entered into England replacing Runes and Heathenry).

In order not to duplicate systems used among English learners of Norwegian and thereby create additional confusion, I am going to adopt the system developed for use with Norword by Louis Janus and Nancy Aarsvold.

The guides are in American English, but keep in mind that several of the Norwegian vowels and diphthongs have no approximate equivalents in American English, especially u, y, and . The best approach would be to borrow from the library or buy a Norwegian book with accompanying tapes. If you are fortunate enough to know a Norwegian native speaker or an advanced non-native Norwegian speaker, ask for help with pronunciation.

DOWNLOAD THE PRONUNCIATION GUIDE

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Now you need a good Norwegian name for yourself.

Click a link below:
o Top 100 MALE names
o Top 100 FEMALE names

Now that you have the guide, why not try some Norwegian Phrases.

Click a link below:
o Norwegian PhraseBase *Set your Rightmost flag to Norwegian*
o Phrasebase Norwegian discuss (Meet fellow students, Ask questions. Post Excercises)

Grammar Tools and Lessons

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o Games, Crosswords, and Quizes to test your Norwegian
o Verbix Norwegian Verb Conjugator (Indicatives, Conditionals, and Imperatives)
o Norword, grammar lesson each day sent to your email

Usefull Books and Products

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o AddAll, need a book at a good price?

(Dictionaries)
Norwegian-English Dictionary by E Haugen
Considered by many to be the best dictionary to date.
It was written in 1965 which shows when you look
for modern words, such as those for computer topics.
ISBN: 0299038742

(Grammar Books)
Norwegian Verbs And Essentials of Grammar by Louis Janus
All the major verbal and grammatical concepts of
Norwegian are presented in one little book.
ISBN: 084428596X

Norwegian: An Essential Grammar by Ase-Berit Strandskogen
Organized by part of speech and covering all
the basic rules as well as some subtleties.
ISBN: 0415109795

(Self Study Books)
Teach Yourself Norwegian by Margaretha Danbolt Simons
Designed to be enjoyable and friendly with
a variety of excercises.
ISBN: 0071420150
ISBN: 0071414401 with Audio CDs

Ear Training - Spoken forms compared

Keep in mind these people are talking in a rather serious tone as they are reading archaic biblical excerpts. But it is still good practice to listen to the phonetics.

Click a link below:
o Norwegian Bokml Form
o Norwegian Nynorsk Form
o A Finn reading in Swedish (a bit flat sounding to my ear, can I get a comment from a native Swede?)
o Icelandic
o Faeroesk

TV and Movies to help expose you to Norwegian

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o Nissene p lven, Norway's Christmas-Santa Reality Show
o OJ. en utstrakt hnd, if you like crazy comedy parodies

Viking Videos - Take a break and watch a video clip of Viking life (Dansk)

QuickTime Video [BIG, Dsl/CableModem/Lan Users]

QuickTime Video [SMALL, Dial-up Modem Users]

Windows Media Player Video [BIG, Dsl/CableModem/Lan Users]

Windows Media Player Video [SMALL, Dial-up Modem Users]

Do not forget we have a discuss for all posts that are not specific to speaking, writing, or learning the Norwegian language

Click a link below:
o Phrasebase NORWAY discuss
o Higher Education in Norway
o Norwegian Food Recipes
o Norway, the Past 100 Years
o History of the Norwegian language

"The chief obstacle to making the right sounds is your English language habits. These have been drilled into you from childhood and are not easy to overcome...Do not be afraid to try new sounds even if they sound strange to you. At first you may feel foolish when making new and unaccustomed noises, but remember that they do not sound strange to Norwegians."

~ Einar Haugen ~

Peter fra LASaturday 09th of October 2004 09:42:58 PM
File Update - File was last revised Saturday Oct 09 09:39pm PST to correct a formatting error.

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PepperlandSunday 10th of October 2004 12:38:34 AM
I want to learn norwegian - but its very difficult!!
Peter fra LASunday 10th of October 2004 11:11:36 AM
Is this response for - [quote]Originally posted by Pepperland


but its very difficult!![/quote]

Hello Pepperland,

I want to write a nice long response, but from reading your message I think you are talking about the language Norwegian being difficult for you.

If this is correct, please create a new message in the discuss>Norwegian section and I will type a big reply for you!

If you are talking about the Pronunciation Guide file, Downloading, Displaying, Printing the file or have a question about clearing your internet browser software cache let me know which one you are asking about and I will reply here in this message thread.

Peter fra LASunday 10th of October 2004 11:58:44 AM
Correction & File - I am going to add a correction Sunday Oct 10 09:51pm PST

The following section:

[quote]PRONUNCIATION: CONSONANTS

K: Pronounced as 'K' in 'kite' when used before A,O,U,@. Softens to Norwegian 'KJ' sound (see below) when used before I,E,Y or when spelled with KJ[/quote]

Should now be written:

PRONUNCIATION: CONSONANTS

K: Pronounced as 'K' in 'kite' when used before A,O,U,. Softens to Norwegian 'KJ' sound (see below) when used before I,E,Y or when spelled with KJ





There happens to be two versions of Norword documents in existence. The @ sign was used in the pure ASCII computer text documents to represent the character on computers that were unable to show foreign characters.

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robbiesqpFriday 15th of October 2004 11:09:24 AM
Takk! - Takk, Peter fra LA! All of the stuff you provide is really helpful. I'm still very interested in learning Norwegian so thank you thank you thank you!

Robbie
Peter fra LAMonday 18th of October 2004 03:23:58 PM
New Pronunciation Hi - [quote]Originally posted by robbiesqp
Takk, Peter fra LA!
Robbie[/quote]

You are welcome Robbie,

Hey everyone: I just found some pronunciation hints burried in my cellular telphone! I was wondering why all my voice recording memory was used up and while cleaning out voice memos, I came across a couple hints:

When starting out you will frequently notice that the letters d, g, and h are often silent in Norwegian:

Land (English meaning: Land) [Phonetic: /LAHN/]
Viktig (English meaning: Important) [Phonetic: /VEEK-TEE/, to my ear the K is rather soft and I sometimes hear it as if it is /VEEG-TEE/]
Hva (English menaing: What) [Phonetic: /VAH/]
Peter fra LAMonday 25th of October 2004 09:10:14 PM
Consideration of ... - I am considering doing a minor modification to the pronunciation guide.

As it is right now, the guide is perfect for anyone learning Norwegian. This information while striving towards a more perfect spoken form could be considered "getting in the way" until one has already grasped the basics..... I don't know, I would need more feedback from those who already have started with the current guide.

The modifications will include the more sublte points of pronunciation such as when vowels go short (easy rule is before a double consonant) and when vowels go long and then deviding the vowels into hard and soft vowels.

For a preview for those of you who have already printed the guide and want to write notes on it instead of waiting for me to update the PDF document to print a new copy see below:

The Norwegian vowels are pure vowels as you will find in French or Italian compared to English with its dipthonged vowels. There are nine vowels: a, e, i, o, u, y, , , .

Norwegian vowels are short before a double consonant:
takk (Thanks)
Norwegian phonetics: /tak/
tak (grip/stroke)
Norwegian phonetics: /ta:k/
matt (weak/dull)
Norwegian phonetics: /mat/
mat (food)
Norwegian phonetics: /ma:t/

So Takk is:
Tak, - the long a pronouncement shortened drastically to a short a and + one glottal click at the end to represent the last k.

Double consonants at the end of a word are pronounced. You will notice that you produce a slight glottal click when you produce the k sound. Take the English word for car, where c is the k sound so you are really saying kar ... ka ka ka ka ka kar (did you hear the click when your tongue pressed at the back of your mouth when forming the k sound?) Try saying it a few times.... fun eh!?

The exception to the double consonant rule is that in Norwegian, words cannot end in a double m. So this will be the reason you encounter some Norwegian words that are pronounced with a short vowel sound even though there is only one consonant:
rom (room/space)
Norwegian phonetics: /rom/

Compare this to normal long vowel words ending in m:
dom (Cathedral)
Norwegian phonetics: /do:m/
Combine this with the Norwegian word for church kirke and we can be very specific about a church we may have seen when talking to a Norwegian friend using domkirke.

Norwegian is simple to speak as it is spoken as it is written, for example the e at the end of words are spoken unlike as in many English words.

Now back to those nine vowels. We will have to split them into two groups, the soft and the hard. This is so you do not have trouble with Norwegian words that start with k as well as words starting with b.
Soft vowels: a, o, u, and
Hard vowels: e, i, y, , and
battakappuWednesday 10th of November 2004 09:03:23 PM
- What about numbers..?
Peter fra LAThursday 11th of November 2004 07:41:39 AM
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*Note to other language admins:

Numbers will come after these phrase lessons. These Ordinal and Cardinal systems would be used more as a reference at this point in the phrase lessons where we try to keep the students away from grammar long enough so that they may have fun building confidence and enthusiasm in the langauge. This mindset can then be captured and used as a tool to help students jump into grammar concepts with more desire than if they were hit with grammar from day one.

Numbers will be posted either at the end of the current phrase lessons (beginning level), or at the beginning of the next series of phrase lessons (intermediate) where grammar concepts may start to be introduced.

A student asking about numbers is already showing signs of accelerated enthusiasm and is playing with the gramatical constructs learned by only reading these first phrase lessons and you could PM these students a quick lesson in numbers. The quantity of requests I have recieved for this to date has been very low and the students are having a lot of fun advancing through the lessons posted.

For now numbers are touched lightly through common phrase terms as "I would like [a/one] ....." and the special case of numbers in both Time and Dates are lightly introduced.
ragazza carinaThursday 16th of December 2004 04:29:41 AM
- I want to speak Italian .... Pleas someone help me