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MartaFriday 01st of July 2005 07:25:15 PM
VERB in Polish - Polish is not a very regular language. Nevertherless, there are some rules:D Have a look at conjugation in present tense:)

Ist group: -ę, -esz

pisać - to write
ja piszę
ty piszesz
on/ona/ono pisze
my piszemy
wy piszecie
oni/one piszą

wskazywać - to point
ja wskazuję
ty wskazujesz
on/ona/ono wskazuje
my wskazujemy
wy wskazujecie
oni/one wskazują



IInd group: -ę, -isz (-ysz)

myśleć - to think
ja myślę
ty myślisz
on/ona/ono myśli
my myślimy
wy myslicie
oni/one myślą

wierzyć - to believe
ja wierzę
ty wierzysz
on/ona/ono wierzy
my wierzymy
wy wierzycie
oni/one wierzą



IIIrd group: -am, -asz

czytać - to read
ja czytam
ty czytasz
on/ona/ono czyta
my czytamy
wy czytacie
oni/one czytają

kochać - to love
ja kocham
ty kochasz
on/ona/ono kocha
my kochamy
wy kochacie
oni/one kochają



IVth group: -em, -esz

rozumieć - to understand
ja rozumiem
ty rozumiesz
on/ona/ono rozumie
my rozumiemy
wy rozumiecie
oni/one rozumieją

umieć - can
ja umiem
ty umiesz
on/ona/ono umie
my umiemy
wy umiecie
oni/one umieją

note: in sentences normally we omit the pronouns e.g. Czytam teraz bardzo interesującą książkę (I'm reading a very interesting book now), not: Ja czytam.... We use the pronouns only to emphasise. e.g. Kto czyta gazety? (Who reads newspapers?) -Ja czytam. (I read)

I'll try to write some exercises with conjugation, if you're interested:)
MartaFriday 01st of July 2005 11:09:09 PM
Exercises - Anyone wants to conjugate some verbs:D?

grać - to play (IIIrd group)
tańczyć - to dance (IInd group, -ysz)
mówić - to speak (IInd group, -isz)
jeść - to eat (IVth group)
pić - to drink (Ist group)

lockstaFriday 01st of July 2005 11:28:45 PM
- would love to.... but it seems you've just made the language seem more confusing than it was to me allready so i think ill just observe this time. im not up to this level with my polski. ;-)
MartaFriday 01st of July 2005 11:31:33 PM
- Oh, come on, Locksta! Just follow the examples:) Those verbs are regular, and I'll correct you if necessary!
stjerneSaturday 02nd of July 2005 12:17:53 AM
- próbuję.. :D

Grać:

Ja gram
Ty grasz
On/Ona/Ono gra
My gramy
Wy gracie
Oni/One grają

Tańczyć:

Ja tańczę
Ty tańczysz
On/Ona/Ono tańczy
My tańczymy
Wy tańczycie
Oni/One tańczą

Mówić:

Ja mówię
Ty mówisz
On/Ona/Ono mówi
My mówimy
Wy mówicie
Oni/One mówią

Jeść:

Ja jem
Ty jesz
On/Ona/Ono je
My Jemy
Wy Jecie
Oni/One jedzą

Pic:

Ja piję
Ty pijesz
On/Ona/Ono pije
My pijemy
Wy pijecie
Oni/One piją

MartaSaturday 02nd of July 2005 12:34:32 AM
Exercise II - Idealnie, Marianne:) Żadnych błędów!
Perfect, Marianne:) No mistakes!

Next exercise:
Pu the verbs in brackets in the right form. Sometimes there's a clue in italics saying about the right person.

1. Maciek dzisiaj cały dzień (grać ) .....na skrzypcach.
2. Moi rodzice (czytać ) ...... bardzo mało książek o podróżach.
3. Czy ona(mówić ) ...... po polsku?
4. (Ja)dosyć często (tańczyć )...... przy spokojnej muzyce.
5. Oni teraz (jeść )..... dużo owoców.
6. Czy (ty)(pić ).......alkohol?
7. (Ja)Nigdy nie (pisać )..... listów ręcznie.
8. Co (ty)(myśleć )......o moim pomyśle?
9. My zawsze (wierzyć )...... twoim słowom.
10. Czy (wy)(umieć )....... grać w szachy?




tony123456Saturday 02nd of July 2005 01:09:52 AM
- Marta,how do you know when to use the right form ina sentence? like above in the first exersizes with you or he she it or they. how do you know? for ex. ja pisze,how do you know when to use pisze and not pisac,this always has gotten me thrown off in polish! p.s how do i use the accents on the computer is ther a code or ceartain numbers adn things i press on the keyboard?
Saturday 02nd of July 2005 01:41:29 AM
- I keep one's fingers crossed for you, polish is very hard but you notwithstanding try to learn !


stjerneSaturday 02nd of July 2005 01:48:24 AM
- 1. Maciek dzisiaj cały dzień gra na skrzypcach.

2. Moi rodzice czytają bardzo mało książek o podróżach.

3. Czy ona mówi po polsku?

4. (Ja)dosyć często tańczę przy spokojnej muzyce.

5. Oni teraz jedzą dużo owoców.

6. Czy (ty) pijesz alkohol?

7. (Ja)Nigdy nie piszę listów ręcznie.

8. Co (ty) myślisz o moim pomyśle?

9. My zawsze wierzymy twoim słowom.

10. Czy (wy) umiecie grać w szachy?

MartaSaturday 02nd of July 2005 05:47:23 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by tony123456


Marta,how do you know when to use the right form ina sentence? like above in the first exersizes with you or he she it or they. how do you know? for ex. ja pisze,how do you know when to use pisze and not pisac,this always has gotten me thrown off in polish! p.s how do i use the accents on the computer is ther a code or ceartain numbers adn things i press on the keyboard?[/quote]

Pisać is an infinitive, in a sentence you should use one of the conjugated forms. In the 1st sentence in the exercise the name Maciek is implied, that's a masculine name. Therefore, Maciek is a 'he' = 'on', so you're looking at 'grać' in 3rd person, singular, and you know it's 'gra'. 2nd sentence: moi rodzice = my parents ->you're looking at 3rd person plural. 3rd sentence: ona = she -> 3rd person singular. Is it more clear now? Any further questions? I'm just waiting for them:D

Marianne
Ćwiczenie było zrobione idealnie - znowu! Dziękuję za nagrodę, to bardzo miłe z Twojej strony:)Wkrótce postaram się zamieścić kilka innych ćwiczeń.
The exercise was done perfectly - again! Thank you for an award, that was very nice of you:) I'll try to post some other exercises soon.
tony123456Saturday 02nd of July 2005 06:33:17 AM
- it is still a little unclear.since i am not very advanced in my english class can you tell me a finer definition of (infinative)+conjugated! thanks a lot im realy trying to get this down! dziekuje bardzo!
stjerneSaturday 02nd of July 2005 06:59:36 AM
- nie ma za co!! :D dziękuję za nagrodę


Edit: fixed the typo!
tony123456Saturday 02nd of July 2005 09:52:02 AM
- stjerne,its not nie ma ca zo its actually nie ma za co.Ithought id say and anyways i finnaly rememberd that it was something else.
tony123456Saturday 02nd of July 2005 10:18:47 AM
- marta,do all polish verbs end with the cz sound ,and to conjugate correctly you have to memorize all the above info it cant be found out?
MartaSaturday 02nd of July 2005 05:27:47 PM
- [quote]Originally posted by tony123456


it is still a little unclear.since i am not very advanced in my english class can you tell me a finer definition of (infinative)+conjugated! thanks a lot im realy trying to get this down! dziekuje bardzo![/quote]

Infinitive is, for example, 'to be'. You can't say: I to be a doctor. Similarly in Polish, you can't say: Ja czytać książkę (I to read a book). People will understand you but the sentence is not correct. You should check what's the right form for the first person singular -> ja (I), which is implied at the beginning of the sentence.
Here's the translated list of pronouns:
ja - I
ty - you
on - he
ona - she
ono - it (we almost don't use this form!)
my - we
wy - you
oni - they (masculine)
one - they (feminine)

To answer your next question, I think all the verbs in Polish end with ć. Probably you have to memorise all the conjugation forms to be able to speak Polish. You know, it's different case with me, I never learnt those rules since it's my native language. But when it comes to second language learning you should grab some knowledge in terms of grammar rules etc. right:D?
MartaSaturday 02nd of July 2005 06:17:07 PM
Some other verbs - I know I should have started with those... But better later than never;)

być - to be
ja jestem
ty jesteś
on/ona/ono jest
my jesteśmy
wy jesteście
oni/one są

mieć - to have
ja mam
ty masz
on/ona/ono ma
my mamy
wy macie
oni/one mają

useful expressions with 'mieć':

mieć rację - to be right
e.g. Masz rację - you're right

mieć nadzieję - to hope
e.g. Mam nadzieję, że ... - I hope that...

mieć prawo - to have a right
e.g. Ona ma prawo słuchać głośno muzyki - She has a right to listen to the loud music.

MartaSaturday 02nd of July 2005 06:32:50 PM
Exercise III - Translate the form from the brackets:

1. (I'm)......bardzo szczęśliwa, że Ciebie poznałam.
2. (She hopes).......że znajdzie pracę.
3. (We are)........... dzisiaj w domu.
4. (He has a right)........ polecieć do Egiptu, nie możecie mu tego zabronić.
5. (You're right)...... nigdy nie będzie nas stac na ten dom.
6. (They are)...... zadowoleni ze swoich dzieci.
7. (You're)........ bardzo w niej zakochany, prawda?
8. (She's right).......... ten pomysł jest naprawdę głupi/
9. (I hope)......... że mój dziadek szybko wyzdrowieje.
10. (He is)...........lekarzem i spędza dużo czasu w szpitalu.
MartaSaturday 02nd of July 2005 08:34:58 PM
Another importan verb that I forgot of... - ....but Footy Fanatic reminded me:)

robić - to do
ja robię
ty robisz
on/ona/ono robi
my robimy
wy robicie
oni/one robią
tony123456Sunday 03rd of July 2005 01:14:35 AM
- dziekuje Marta, teraz rozumiem! Iam going to try and see if this is right!


1. ja (JESTEM) 5.ty(masz prawo)9mam nadzieje
2.MA NADZIEJE 6. ONI/ONE SA 10. on jest
3.WY JESTESCIE 7.JESTES
4.ON (MA PRAWO) 8.ONA MA PRAWO
tony123456Sunday 03rd of July 2005 01:19:22 AM
- oh , by the way marta or stjerne where can i go to get listings of verbs and what they conjugate too???
stjerneSunday 03rd of July 2005 02:43:49 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by tony123456
stjerne,its not nie ma ca zo its actually nie ma za co.Ithought id say and anyways i finnaly rememberd that it was something else.[/quote]

przepraszam... it was a typo :)

[quote]oh , by the way marta or stjerne where can i go to get listings of verbs and what they conjugate too???[/quote]

I haven't found a list for conjugating the verbs... I learned these as a child :) Dictionaries have some verbs etc at the back, but your best bet would be to get a Polish grammar book.

[quote]how do i use the accents on the computer is ther a code or ceartain numbers adn things i press on the keyboard?[/quote]

You need to have the polish keyboard fonts installed on your computer in order for you to be able to use them. You can find them on your windows disk or going in to the control panel. (Most fonts are pre-installed on newer machines, you need to enable them through the control panel.)

tony123456Sunday 03rd of July 2005 03:56:29 AM
- dziekuje stjerne!
stjerneSunday 03rd of July 2005 04:03:51 AM
- 1. ja jestem bardzo szczęśliwa, że Ciebie poznałam.

2. ona nadzieję że znajdzie pracę.

3. my jesteśmy dzisiaj w domu.

4. on ma rację polecieć do Egiptu, nie możecie mu tego zabronić.

5. masz rację nigdy nie będzie nas stac na ten dom.

6. oni są zadowoleni ze swoich dzieci.

7. ty jesteś bardzo w niej zakochany, prawda?

8. ma rację ten pomysł jest naprawdę głupi/

9. mam nadzieje że mój dziadek szybko wyzdrowieje.

10. On jest lekarzem i spędza dużo czasu w szpitalu.
stjerneSunday 03rd of July 2005 04:05:30 AM
- nie ma za co :)
tony123456Sunday 03rd of July 2005 04:42:57 AM
- stjerne what was incorrect in mine?
MartaSunday 03rd of July 2005 04:58:49 AM
- cześć,

both of you got some sentences right and some wrong:) Generally, the problem was with 'to have a right' and 'to be right'.

tony123456
1-ok
2-ona ma nadzieję*
3-my jesteśmy
4-ok
5-masz rację
6-ok
7-ok
8-ona ma rację
9-ok
10-ok

*Maybe it's my fault. At first I told you to omit the pronouns but you CAN'T omit them in 3rd person singular and 3rd person plural. If you omit them, there will be no information about if it's 'she' or 'he'

Stjerne
1-ok
2-ona ma nadzieję
3-ok
4-on ma prawo
5-ok
6-ok
7-ok
8-ona ma rację*
9-ok
10-ok

*Maybe it's my fault. At first I told you to omit the pronouns but you CAN'T omit them in 3rd person singular and 3rd person plural. If you omit them, there will be no information about if it's 'she' or 'he'
MartaSunday 03rd of July 2005 05:42:28 AM
Negation - Neagation is one of the easiest things in Polish:) All you have to do is to put 'nie' in front of the verb!
e.g.
nie robię - I don't do (or: I'm not doing*)
nie czytam - I don't read
nie tańczę - I don't dance
nie umiem - I can't

*We have only one present tense in Polish. Therefore, present simple and present continuous are both tranlated in the same way.


MartaSunday 03rd of July 2005 06:42:56 AM
Question - Question is another simple thing in Polish;) The questions that you start with e.g. 'do you...' all start with 'czy in Polish.

czy jesz mięso? - do you eat meat?
czy umiesz grać na pianinie? - can you play the piano?
czy czytasz gazety? - do you read newspapers?
czy mówisz po angielsku? - do you speak English?

The good information for you: in all the cases you can omit 'czy'. Only your intonation will tell that what you're saying is actually a question.

grasz na skrzypcach? - do you play the violin?
kochasz mnie? - do you love me?
jesteś szczęśliwy? - are you happy?

Those sound more natural.

tony123456Sunday 03rd of July 2005 09:14:52 AM
- OK, MARTA THANKYOU!Umm,i see for things that are addrese to Ja dont use it and things that people have no clue who the heckyour talking about use on,or ona or ono. secondly i thought that ma, or masz,or mam tell if it is-it or she or he??negation looks easy i got that down lolz!for questions its pretty much you can use czy or you dont have to and only use it for to do questions?czy makes it easier to know that its a question yes marta??
MartaSunday 03rd of July 2005 08:03:34 PM
- Tony,

Yes, you're right we don't use 'ja' most of the time. Only when emphasising.
Mam, masz and ma don't tell if it's he or she.
Yeah, negatiions are easy - told you:)
I guess 'czy' is more formal, and again you're right it makes it easier to tell if it's a normal sentence or a question. But normally it's not used very often beacuse it doesn't sound very natural.
stjerneMonday 04th of July 2005 01:47:12 AM
- [quote]Stjerne
1-ok
2-ona ma nadzieję
3-ok
4-on ma prawo
5-ok
6-ok
7-ok
8-ona ma rację*
9-ok
10-ok

*Maybe it's my fault. At first I told you to omit the pronouns but you CAN'T omit them in 3rd person singular and 3rd person plural. If you omit them, there will be no information about if it's 'she' or 'he'[/quote]

ugh! I thought I put those in there... I had it written that way in my notebook before posting it.

but I did remember about not omiting 3rd person singular/plural pronouns. :)

MartaMonday 04th of July 2005 02:11:52 AM
- But still it was a really well done task! I have to think of more before I leave:( You know, in some contexts it's not necessary to omit the pronouns, in some it IS. It all depends on the context.
MartaMonday 04th of July 2005 09:09:42 PM
Exercise IV - Please, conjugate those verbs:

lubić - to like (IInd group - isz)
znać - to know (IIIrd group)
*dawać - to give (Ist group)
patrzeć - to look at (IInd group - ysz)
**kupować - to buy (Ist group)
oglądać - to watch (IIIrd group)


*The root is changing!
start with:
ja daję

** start with:
ja kupuję
tony123456Tuesday 05th of July 2005 02:17:24 AM
- ok let me see if i have them! Moze, mam racje slowi! ja lubie ,ty lubisz,on/ona libie,my lubimy,oni/one lubia

JA ZNAM, ty znasz, on/ona zna, my znamy ,wy znacie ,oni/one znaja
ja daje, ty dajesz , on/ona daje, my dajemy ,wy dajecie , oni/one daja
ja patrze, ty patrzysz ,ona/on payrzy, my patrzymy ,wy patrzycie ,oni/one patrza
ja kupuje ,ty kupujesz ,on/ona kupuje ,my kupujemy , wy kupujecie , oni/one kupuja
ja oglamdam , ty oglamdasz , on/ona oglamda , my oglamdamy , wy oglamdacie , oni/one oglamda
I hope this is right!
Mam nadzieje jestem racje!



stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 03:14:53 AM
- próbuję... :D

1. Lubić:

Ja lubię
ty lubisz
On/ona/ono lubi
my lubimy
wy lubicie
oni/one lubią

2. Znać:

ja znam
ty znasz
on/ona/oni zna
my znamy
wy znacie
oni/one znają

3. Dawać:

ja daję
ty dajesz
on/ona/ono daje
my dajemy
wy dajecie
oni/one dają

4. Patrzeć:

ja patrzę
ty patrzysz
on/ona/ono patrzy
my patrzymy
wy patrzycie
oni/one patrzą

5. Kupować:

ja kupuję
ty kupujesz
on/ona/ono kupuje
my kupujemy
wy kupujecie
oni/one kupują

6. Oglądać:

ja oglądam
ty oglądasz
on/ona/ono ogląda
my oglądamy
wy oglądacie
oni/one oglądą
stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 03:21:43 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by: tony123456

ok let me see if i have them! Moze, mam racje slowi! ja lubie ,ty lubisz,on/ona libie,my lubimy,oni/one lubia

JA ZNAM, ty znasz, on/ona zna, my znamy ,wy znacie ,oni/one znaja
ja daje, ty dajesz , on/ona daje, my dajemy ,wy dajecie , oni/one daja
ja patrze, ty patrzysz ,ona/on payrzy, my patrzymy ,wy patrzycie ,oni/one patrza
ja kupuje ,ty kupujesz ,on/ona kupuje ,my kupujemy , wy kupujecie , oni/one kupuja
ja oglamdam , ty oglamdasz , on/ona oglamda , my oglamdamy , wy oglamdacie , oni/one oglamda
I hope this is right!
Mam nadzieje jestem racje![/quote]


Only thing I see wrong with the exercise is a couple of typo's :D

on/ona libie = on/ona lubi

the verb oglądać in conjugated form has no M except in ja oglądam






tony123456Tuesday 05th of July 2005 03:32:25 AM
- o no when i was copying it down to type i put an m in the word and used the m the whole time!! im so retarded sometimes!,lolz thanks so much!Ihate theses typos,lol dziekuje bardzo!!
stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 03:45:24 AM
- nie ma za co :) don't worry about it.. I make 'em all the time lol apart from that it was very well done!!

fantastyczny :D


I also found a book that should help you, it lists verbs and their conjugations, 1 verb per page.

[url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764110209/qid=1120509736/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/103-5146412-8868616?v=glance&s=books&n=507846]301 Polish verbs[/url] or you can [url=http://www.addall.com]click here[/url] to check for the best prices
MartaTuesday 05th of July 2005 05:43:46 AM
- Super! Nawet mnie nie potrzebujecie:D Bardzo dobrze zrobione ćwiczenie! I dobrze poprawione!

Great! You don't even need me:D Very well done exercise! And well corrected!
stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 05:58:09 AM
- doskonale! I remembered these verbs from before :)

what verb group is wziąć?

of course we still need you!! śsg
tony123456Tuesday 05th of July 2005 06:02:04 AM
- I agree we do still need you your the best polish teacher ever!!Marta or sterjne why is it in group 2 lubic for ona.on it is lubi and not lubie??
stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 06:12:14 AM
- I'm not 100% sure but I think it is because the endings for group 2 verbs are -ę and -isz. you drop the sz for on/ona...etc and add their respective endings.
MartaTuesday 05th of July 2005 05:51:33 PM
- Probably Stjerne is right! She's better at rules than me:D

Wziąć is irregular

wziąć - to take
ja biorę
ty bierzesz
on/ona/ono bierze
my bierzemy
wy bierzecie
oni/one biorą
Tuesday 05th of July 2005 10:59:07 PM
- Why do none of those verbs look remotely like the starting one?
stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 11:14:53 PM
- śsg dzięki... I still need lots of help with the rules :D

I think whoever invented our language made those irregular verbs to confuse people (especially me!, I'd forgotten this one) śsg
MartaTuesday 05th of July 2005 11:21:10 PM
- śsg, czasowniki nieregularne są 'cudowne' w każdym języku:D W ogóle gramatyka - piękna rzecz! Niestety jutro wyjeżdżam i nie będę Wam mogła więcej pomagać:( Ale tutaj jest tyle Polaków, że na pewno znajdzie się ktoś chętny - mam nadzieję:)
~~~ *** ~~~
lol, irregular verbs are 'wonderful' in every language:D Grammar, in general - beautiful thing! Unfortunately I'm leaving tomorrow and I won't be able to help you anymore:( But there are so many Polish people here that you'll find somebody willing to do that for sure - I hope so:)
stjerneTuesday 05th of July 2005 11:32:40 PM
- for sure :)

I found a book that contains 301 verbs and lists their conjugations and I'm sure Kamil will help me when I need it :)

Have a safe and wonderful trip and we'll see you when you get back!!



tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 02:48:36 AM
- what does this mean-(ssg)
tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 02:50:17 AM
- Marta where are you going ?please return when you get back!lols!
MartaWednesday 06th of July 2005 03:03:05 AM
- Jadę do Anglii. Oczywiście, że tu wrócę! Będę za Wami tęsknic:)

I'm going to England. Of course I'll come back here! I will miss you:)
tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 03:09:41 AM
- Wow, have fun in England! We will miss you alot too!


cheerio!!

tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 05:14:15 AM
- What do you think is a good way to memorize the verbs and there conjugations??

MartaWednesday 06th of July 2005 05:18:09 AM
- I think just using them is the best idea:D If I don't write enough in French I quickly forget the conjugation. If you keep repeating the vercs, they should become more natural to use and much easier. You'll find some analogies that will help you to guess the form even if you're not sure. So my advice is to build sentences:) good luck!!
And thanks, I hope I'll have fun:D
tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 05:28:56 AM
- dzieki! ja wola!
MartaWednesday 06th of July 2005 05:31:12 AM
- ja wola? I didn't get it:(
tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 06:39:45 AM
- well Ilooked up the word for (will) and it came up (wola) so Iwrote ja wola- (i will)i new it was probably wrong!sorru what woyuld be correct??
tony123456Wednesday 06th of July 2005 06:45:24 AM
- moze ,chciec albo checiec.
stjerneWednesday 06th of July 2005 02:55:11 PM
- [quote]Originally posted by tony123456
what does this mean-(ssg)[/quote]

it means lol po polsku :D (śmiać się głośno)
Footy FanaticWednesday 06th of July 2005 11:03:45 PM
- Marta, If you are still there whereabouts are you going in England?
I live in England!
wasilWednesday 06th of July 2005 11:46:04 PM
- "I will" to nie "ja wola"

to bnrzmi jakby ktoś się śląską gwarą posługiwał i mówił coś w stylu

"ja wola ziemniaki"

"I will" to po prostu "będę"

"I will" is not "ja wola"

it sound like somebody using silesian dialect and say something like that:

"ja wola ziemniaki" (i prefer potatoes) :D (don't use this sentence in your learning polish! :))

"I will" is simply "będę"


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"will" without anything is "wola"
tony123456Thursday 07th of July 2005 01:09:06 AM
- ok ,ssg! so it is just (bede!) not wola?
tony123456Thursday 07th of July 2005 01:17:23 AM
- what is bede litarally translated too??
stjerneThursday 07th of July 2005 02:22:30 AM
- [quote]Originally posted by Footy Fanatic
Marta, If you are still there whereabouts are you going in England? I live in England![/quote]

She is in Manchester :) she left on the 5th.