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Assaf_HSaturday 19th of March 2005 11:42:54 PM
eu/ma/mi/mie/imi - What's the difference between eu/ma/mi/mie/imi?

If someone could please explain the differences, and perhaps add some examples of how to conjugate them in a sentence, I would be most obliged.

(Same goes for tu/tie/iti/...)

Multumesc :)

Jeremy87Sunday 20th of March 2005 07:41:30 AM
- heh, this can get a little confusing at times.. lol I know it did for me when I first started, but I'll try to explain as best as I can.

In a language there is something called 'noun cases'. Each of these noun cases specifies whether it's the subject, the object, or indirect, object, etc. There are 5 different cases in Romanian. We're just gonna talk about the 2 main confusing ones and the basic noun case.

Nominative: Eu, Tu, El, Ea, Noi, Voi, Ei, Ele
English: I, You, He, She, We, You (formal/plural), They (masc), They (fem)

Nominative is the main subject of the sentence basically.. Eu merg la magazin - I am going to the store.

Accusative: Mine, Tine, El, Ea, Noi, Voi, Ei, Ele
Unstressed forms: Mă, te, îl, o, ne, vă, îi, le
English: Me, You, Him, Her, Us, You (formal/plural, Them (masc), Them (fem)

Accusative basically describes the object that you're doing the verb to. e.g: Eu te văd. - I see you
le văd la fereastră - I see them by the window.

The unstressed forms precedes the verb. In imperative form of verbs, it comes after in a contraction "aşteaptă-mă!" - Wait for me!

The full stressed forms (mine, tine, etc) are always used after a preposition (pe - on, în - in, pentru - for, la - at/to, lângă - next to, cu - with, fără - without, aproape - near, departe - far).
Mergi fără mine?? - Are you going without me??
trebuie să vorbesc cu tine - I need to speak with you

Just an extra note.. There isn't a definite article word after a preposition, unless you use the instrumental (what you use to do whatever)

"Plec cu trenul" - I'm leaving by train
"Mănânc cu lingura" - I'm eating with the spoon.

Now the dative is the confusing one.. It's also called the indirect object. It has to do with giving someone something. Give, tell, explain, bring, offer, and send are examples of verbs that are used in the dative.

Dative: Mie, Ţie, Lui, Ei, Nouă, Vouă, Lor
Unstressed: 2000mi, 2000ţi, 2000i, Ne, Vă, Le
English: To/for me, To/for you, To/for him, To/for her, To/for us, To/for you (formal/plural), To/for them (masc/fem)

You notice the unstressed dative for him/her is the same. You'll get used to it.

The object you're giving, bringing, sending, etc. is the direct object since you're performing the action on that certain thing. In bold will be the accusative, italics will be the dative.

îmi aduce Mariana cartea - Mariana is bringing me the book
îţi trimit o scrisoară - I'm sending you a letter.

The stressed forms are used independently or for more emphasis.

îmi aduce Mariana cartea.
Ţie? îmi aduce Mariana cartea mie, nu ţie!
Mariana is bringing me the book.
To you? Mariana is bringing the book to me, not you!

Anyways, That's all I can say right now. I'm sure I made a few mistakes maybe here or there. I hope I cleared it up a little bit, lol. Some people can add on if they want.
La PluieWednesday 23rd of March 2005 01:20:42 AM
Mulţumesc! - Thanks a ton for that, Jeremy. This certainly isn't looking much easier than Russian. I will have to make some tests for myself over this stuff... And since you mentioned prepositions, here is my test over prepositions if anyone is interested... :D