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|sandman||Tuesday 18th of January 2005 01:38:11 PM|
|verb conjugation stats and problems - i have a database of over 3400 romanian verbs with full conjugations and i can run different queries against it. so here i present some interesting statistics.
65.45% (2268) of verbs end in '-a', 16.71% (379) of them have irregular forms
23.49% (814) of verbs end in '-i', 15.72% (128) of them have irregular forms
8.46% (293) of verbs end in '-e', 89.08% (261) of them have irregular forms
1.59% (55) of verbs end in '-ea', 36.36% (20) of them have irregular forms
1.01% (35) of verbs end in '-î', 17.14% (6) of them have irregular forms
64.2% (1456) of verbs ending in '-a' have 1st type conjugation (1 pers. sing ending '-ez')
9.07% (132) of them have irregular forms
34.61% (785) of verbs ending in '-a' have 2nd type conjugation
30.7% (241) of them have irregular forms
1.19% (27) of verbs ending in '-a' have both
22.22% (6) of them have irregular forms
some interesting conclusions can be made, e.g.
- the most numerous are the verbs ending in '-a' which have 1st type conjugation (42.02% of total), and they are 'the least irregular'
- almost all verbs ending in '-e' have irregular forms
22.91% of the verbs have irregular forms
of them having irregular forms in:
subjunctive - 83% (659)
simple present - 81.11% (644)
imperative - 38.29% (304)
past participle - 30.86% (245)
gerund - 14.23% (113)
the distribution of irregular forms among verb tenses and persons is different in different types of verbs. there're too much of figures, so i put only the most interesting (and useful) conclusions:
- the verbs ending in '-a' of the 1st type are never irregular in 2 pers. pl. and in impersonal forms.
- only one verb ending in '-a' of the 1st type is irregular in 1 pers. sg.
- only 6 verbs ending in '-a' of the 2nd type are irregular in 2 pers. pl.
- the verbs ending in '-a' of the 1st type and the verbs ending in '-î' are never irregular in gerund or past participle, only in subjunctive, simple present and imperative
- only one verb ending in '-a' of the 2nd type is irregular in past participle form
what is this all for:
- i wanted to clear up the whole picture of romanian verbs, since the misty words (such as 'many', 'not so many', 'quite a few' etc) on different sites and books depict nothing
- i wanted to devise some rules which may help me to conjugate new verbs
- especially i was wondering if there are rules which help to distingush the 1st and the 2nd types of conjugations of the verbs ending in '-a' (i've seen also such question somewhere on this discuss)
- find common patterns of phonetic mutations and irregularities (some irregularities seem not so irregular, since they are more numerous than the conventional verb 'types' %)
i'd be very glad to hear any hypotheses on these problems, which i could check against my database.
i need also some comments on whether this topic is of interest for anyone, i.e. should i give it up or not (postings, not the work %)
|Paul8||Saturday 05th of February 2005 03:22:01 AM|
| - This Information is very helpful. Do you have any information such as this on other langauges as well? If so, could youi please post them on the discuss in the appropriate sections.|
|sandman||Wednesday 09th of February 2005 01:27:46 PM|
| - i have some sources, but yet have no time to develop them %((
of course, i'll publish the information i'll have for other languages, when i switch to learn them %)
|La Pluie||Friday 11th of March 2005 03:06:51 AM|
| - Quick! How do you say "I am doomed (feminine)" in Romanian?!|
|rbruma||Friday 11th of March 2005 03:43:58 PM|
| - "Sunt blestemată" would be one way (meaning also "I am cursed"). "Sunt pierdută" would be another way (meaning primarily "I am lost").|
|sandman||Saturday 12th of March 2005 12:45:22 PM|
| - how about 'sunt condemnată', 'sunt predestinată' ?
are these ok ?
|Luludya738||Sunday 13th of March 2005 04:23:52 PM|
| - "Sunt condamnată" would also be fine, but literary it means "I am sentenced". If you say "sunt condamnată" you should also specify to "what" are you sentenced. "Sunt condamnată la suferint,ă", when you use a noun (I am sentenced to suffering) or "Sunt condamnată să sufăr", when you want to use a vb (I am sentenced to suffer).
"Sunt predestinată" it's not a good choice. It means "I'm fated" which has nothing to do with "doomed" or with "cursed". "Era predestinat" means "it was meant to be".
About "blestemată" it can generally be used without any specifications but if you want to add some, it is used generally with verbs. To make myself understood: "Sunt blestemată să sufăr" but NEVER "Sunt blestemată la suferint,ă". There are a few cases when it can me used in reference to a noun and one of them in the expression "to curse to death". "Sunt blestemată DE moarte". Using the preposition "LA" even in this case would be forced. So, generally, we don't use it in association with the vb "a blestema".
Hope I helped :)
|rbruma||Monday 14th of March 2005 02:31:11 PM|
| - Sunt condamnat la pierderea blestemului predestinării :)
It's Monday morning, so logic lacks today...
|sandman||Monday 14th of March 2005 05:08:18 PM|
| - don't give too much of synonims to Răzvan early in the monday mornings %))|
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