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ice_block Friday 10th of February 2006 10:40:20 AM
het/de - what do they mean and how are they used? thanks from casey

Mathieu Friday 10th of February 2006 06:29:40 PM
- 'De' and 'het' are definite articles. Learning by heart which one goes with which word is my advice, however if you're really asking, [url=http://www.phrasebase.com/forum/read.php?TID=5340][b]go here[/b][/url] :)
Any further questions, ask.

Bereza Monday 24th of April 2006 10:03:45 PM
- Please tell me how definite the accessory of the Dutch word to the miidle gender?

:(

Mathieu Wednesday 26th of April 2006 06:21:51 PM
- I don\'t understand what you mean.. can you perhaps give an English example or something?

Bereza Wednesday 26th of April 2006 09:49:31 PM
- That is simple, early I didn\'t find the exast meaning in Dutch.
Dat is eenvoudig, vroeg vond ik niet de exastbetekenis in het Nederlands.

That I again form the same question, how by view of word to definite what is gender of it? For example by what sign I may define that the word is mannelijk, onzijdig , vrouwelijk?

:)

I see that my question will be non succesful.
Ik zie dat mijn vraag niet succesful zal zijn.

Thanks God, I bought the small dictionary of Dutch language. There is whritten for every word \'What is what!\'

God van dank, kocht ik het mil woordenboek van Nederlandse taal. Er zijn whritten voor elk woord \' wat is wat!\'

Mathieu Thursday 27th of April 2006 04:14:50 AM
- Ah, ok, I suspected that was the direction you were heading :) Well, as for masculine and feminine, you can\'t tell and you shouldn\'t worry. I myself have no idea if a \"chair\" is masculine (mannelijk) or feminine (vrouwelijk) in Dutch. The distinction with neuter (onzijdig), however, is important. I suggest you just learn this by heart, consider it as part of the word you\'re learning.

In that page I linked you can however find some hints as to calculate what the gender might be. For example, diminutives are [b]always[/b] neuter (onzijdig).

Bereza Thursday 27th of April 2006 11:13:30 PM
- Teup, thank for your advice very much, I will just learn them (onzijdig) BY HEART. ;)

Mmda, you said that \'For example, diminutives are always neuter (onzijdig)\'. How that I may see ???? What are being \'diminutives\'? Please englight me. I have any idea about it.

:(

Mathieu Friday 28th of April 2006 12:21:56 AM
- Het huis
Het huisje (diminutive)

De schoen
Het schoentje (diminutive)

Always \'het\' :) Plurals are always \'de\'. And remember that the gender is determined by the final part in compounds etc.

Bereza Friday 28th of April 2006 04:33:56 AM
- Hallo Teup,

If I understad you right, in this case I must understand that

Het huisje - the small house
Het schoentje - the smallest shoe???

Good explanation! ;) Let me use your rule for some examples

Het paard
Het paardje (diminutive)

Het blad
het bladje (diminutive)

De vogel
het vogelje (diminutive)

De divan
Het divanje (diminutive)

De lepel
Het lepelje (diminutive)

etc

;)

Mathieu Friday 05th of May 2006 04:23:42 AM
- \"het schoentje\" would be \"the small shoe\", just as \"het huisje\" would be \"the small house\" (or well, it\'s a bit silly to translate it to English, but in Russian it makes more sense I think :)) Well; the ones you made are nearly correct; the only problem is that, well, you need to know how to form the diminutive ;) you have to choose the right one from the flavours \"-je\", \"-kje\", \"-tje\", \"-pje\", \"-etje\". And you need to know the underlying stem of the word sometimes (or just learn them by heart as \'irregular\' ones). Otherwise they are 100% correct. Here\'s how it goes for the ones you posted:

Het paard
Het paardje
Het blad
Het blaadje (the stem of the word is \"blaad\" with a long vowel - you can see this in the plural \"bladeren\", and also here in the diminutive)
De vogel
Het vogeltje
De divan
Het divannetje
De lepel
Het lepeltje

Luckily, which suffix you get exactly is not random, there are logical rules behind it. For example, \"vogel\" and \"lepel\" both end on an unstressed syllable with an \"l\" at the end, and they both get \"-tje\". I could explain the exact rules anytime on request, no problem for me, but I can imagine it would be easier to memorize it for the time being and see what kind of intuitions you may develop :)

Bereza Friday 05th of May 2006 04:22:27 PM
- Teup, thank you for a nice explanation about using of suffixes very much.

:)

Phrasebase Archive
	ice_block	Friday 10th of February 2006 10:40:20 AM
	het/de - what do they mean and how are they used? thanks from casey
	Mathieu	Friday 10th of February 2006 06:29:40 PM
	- 'De' and 'het' are definite articles. Learning by heart which one goes with which word is my advice, however if you're really asking, [url=http://www.phrasebase.com/forum/read.php?TID=5340][b]go here[/b][/url] :) Any further questions, ask.
	Bereza	Monday 24th of April 2006 10:03:45 PM
	- Please tell me how definite the accessory of the Dutch word to the miidle gender? :(
	Mathieu	Wednesday 26th of April 2006 06:21:51 PM
	- I don\'t understand what you mean.. can you perhaps give an English example or something?
	Bereza	Wednesday 26th of April 2006 09:49:31 PM
	- That is simple, early I didn\'t find the exast meaning in Dutch. Dat is eenvoudig, vroeg vond ik niet de exastbetekenis in het Nederlands. That I again form the same question, how by view of word to definite what is gender of it? For example by what sign I may define that the word is mannelijk, onzijdig , vrouwelijk? :) I see that my question will be non succesful. Ik zie dat mijn vraag niet succesful zal zijn. Thanks God, I bought the small dictionary of Dutch language. There is whritten for every word \'What is what!\' God van dank, kocht ik het mil woordenboek van Nederlandse taal. Er zijn whritten voor elk woord \' wat is wat!\'
	Mathieu	Thursday 27th of April 2006 04:14:50 AM
	- Ah, ok, I suspected that was the direction you were heading :) Well, as for masculine and feminine, you can\'t tell and you shouldn\'t worry. I myself have no idea if a \"chair\" is masculine (mannelijk) or feminine (vrouwelijk) in Dutch. The distinction with neuter (onzijdig), however, is important. I suggest you just learn this by heart, consider it as part of the word you\'re learning. In that page I linked you can however find some hints as to calculate what the gender might be. For example, diminutives are [b]always[/b] neuter (onzijdig).
	Bereza	Thursday 27th of April 2006 11:13:30 PM
	- Teup, thank for your advice very much, I will just learn them (onzijdig) BY HEART. ;) Mmda, you said that \'For example, diminutives are always neuter (onzijdig)\'. How that I may see ???? What are being \'diminutives\'? Please englight me. I have any idea about it. :(
	Mathieu	Friday 28th of April 2006 12:21:56 AM
	- Het huis Het huisje (diminutive) De schoen Het schoentje (diminutive) Always \'het\' :) Plurals are always \'de\'. And remember that the gender is determined by the final part in compounds etc.
	Bereza	Friday 28th of April 2006 04:33:56 AM
	- Hallo Teup, If I understad you right, in this case I must understand that Het huisje - the small house Het schoentje - the smallest shoe??? Good explanation! ;) Let me use your rule for some examples Het paard Het paardje (diminutive) Het blad het bladje (diminutive) De vogel het vogelje (diminutive) De divan Het divanje (diminutive) De lepel Het lepelje (diminutive) etc ;)
	Mathieu	Friday 05th of May 2006 04:23:42 AM
	- \"het schoentje\" would be \"the small shoe\", just as \"het huisje\" would be \"the small house\" (or well, it\'s a bit silly to translate it to English, but in Russian it makes more sense I think :)) Well; the ones you made are nearly correct; the only problem is that, well, you need to know how to form the diminutive ;) you have to choose the right one from the flavours \"-je\", \"-kje\", \"-tje\", \"-pje\", \"-etje\". And you need to know the underlying stem of the word sometimes (or just learn them by heart as \'irregular\' ones). Otherwise they are 100% correct. Here\'s how it goes for the ones you posted: Het paard Het paardje Het blad Het blaadje (the stem of the word is \"blaad\" with a long vowel - you can see this in the plural \"bladeren\", and also here in the diminutive) De vogel Het vogeltje De divan Het divannetje De lepel Het lepeltje Luckily, which suffix you get exactly is not random, there are logical rules behind it. For example, \"vogel\" and \"lepel\" both end on an unstressed syllable with an \"l\" at the end, and they both get \"-tje\". I could explain the exact rules anytime on request, no problem for me, but I can imagine it would be easier to memorize it for the time being and see what kind of intuitions you may develop :)
	Bereza	Friday 05th of May 2006 04:22:27 PM
	- Teup, thank you for a nice explanation about using of suffixes very much. :)