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Lizzi590 Sunday 22nd of August 2004 03:54:37 AM
Dutch - Hello, I am Liz and I want help with speaking Dutch, anyone out there interested?

mari-alhillo Sunday 02nd of January 2005 09:09:05 PM
- if it's still actual your proposal i am interested.So what you say?

lowenguard Sunday 02nd of January 2005 10:22:00 PM
- hey mari..
I read your reply here;
Do you speak Dutch, or do you wanna learn Dutch?

I noticed that you live in Holland, and you speak Romanian.
I am looking for people who can help me with Romanian, so maybe we could help each other?

and... best wishes for 2005. Let's make it a great year!

ohh and Liz, if you still want help too, just send me an email!

kristiemac Wednesday 05th of January 2005 02:16:39 PM
I'd like to learn dutch... - Hi there..
If the offer is still available I would like to learn dutch and try emailing with you... I am still in very basic beginner level and it will only be via email until i get internet at home (very soon).
Hope to hear from you...
Kristie

byz Sunday 08th of May 2005 04:31:54 PM
ı would like to speak dutch - Hi :)
If the offer is still available I would like to speak dutch .

Hope to hear from you
beyza

Mathieu Sunday 08th of May 2005 08:37:12 PM
- If you guys want to learn, then why are y'all so silent! Please, post on the forum, that's what it's for, right :) I won't teach by myself but I can answer all questions... so keep posting and remember there are no stupid questions... well, really... there are, but not in language learning!! :D

Morrighan Tuesday 17th of May 2005 08:18:04 PM
Help wanted :) - So I see you can help me learn some basics in Dutch, right? :) I wanna know how to say:

Hi!
How are you?
I'm fine, thank you!
Are you busy?
Please!
Thank you!
See you!
No!/Yes!
I love you!
Friend.
I miss you!/I missed you!

Well, I can't think of something more but it'll be great if you can help me with these words and phrases. And give me some tips how to read them - I speak English, Swedish, Danish, French, Spanish, Turkish... so you may give me some examples from these languages :) Thanks in advance!!! Morrighan

Mathieu Tuesday 17th of May 2005 09:51:59 PM
- [b]Hi![/b] - Hoi! / Hé!
[b]How are you?[/b] - Hoe gaat het? (similar to 'hur går det') / Hoe is het? (similar to 'hur är det') / Hoe is het met jou (similar to 'hur är det med dig') etc.
[b]I'm fine, thank you![/b] - Goed, dank je (informal) / Goed, bedankt / Goed, dank u (formal)
[b]Please![/b] - Alsjeblieft (informal) / Alstublieft (formal). This is not a literal translation that works in all contexts, but 'Als(je/tu)blieft' is at least used just as Swedish 'varsågod' is used.
[b]Thank you![/b] - Bedankt / Dank je (informal) / Dank u (formal)
[b]See you![/b] - Tot ziens! (may well be used in formal situations)
[b]No!/Yes![/b] - Nee!/Ja!
[b]I love you![/b] - Ik hou van je! (assuming informality here :D)
[b]Friend.[/b] - Vriend
[b]I miss you!/I missed you![/b] - Ik mis je! Ik heb je gemist!

'Tips on how to read them', just ask if you're not 100% sure about something, because I don't really know what else I should add at this point..

Morrighan Thursday 19th of May 2005 06:39:41 PM
Dank je! :) - Thanks a lot! :)

About the prononciation - is it pronounced the way it's spelled? Is it like Swedish? And is "aa" equal to "å" or is it like long "a"? Is "u" like in Swedish (hus, t.ex.)? How do you pronounce "ie" (vriend)? Like in English "friend" or like the Spanish "miento"? How do you read "z"?

Sorry, too many questions... But I really want to learn! Great language, indeed! :)

Daan Thursday 19th of May 2005 10:53:20 PM
- [quote]
About the prononciation - is it pronounced the way it's spelled?
[/quote]
Well, not always, but we don't do strange things similar to French where they don't pronounce certain parts of words.

[quote]
Is it like Swedish? And is "aa" equal to "å" or is it like long "a"?[/quote]
My Swedish pronuncation isn't all that, but my Dutch "aa" sounds like my Swedish long "a".

[quote]
Is "u" like in Swedish (hus, t.ex.)?
[/quote]
My Swedish really ain't good enough to answer this one, sorry.

[quote]
How do you pronounce "ie" (vriend)? Like in English "friend" or like the Spanish "miento"?
[/quote]
Like the Spanish "miento".

[quote]
How do you read "z"?
[/quote]
When you're spelling a word (I assume that's what you mean) we'd use something that sounds like "zet" (Dutch).

[quote]
Sorry, too many questions... But I really want to learn! Great language, indeed! :)[/quote]
Nono, you're welcome! Bury us under a stockpile of questions! ;)

Mathieu Friday 20th of May 2005 12:14:53 AM
- Yes, to me 'u' is similar to Swedish 'u', although I'm not supposed to think that according to guides.. Anyway, what's for sure is that Dutch 'u' is like German 'ü', and that is somewhere between Swedish u and y in my opinion (either will do, Dutch is less delicate about this than Swedish).

aa is long 'a', that's correct, just like 'ee' is long 'e', 'oo' is long 'o' 'uu' is long 'u' (for the record: single is the uh-sound, double is that german ü sound). Single written vowels can be long also, when they're at the end of a syllable. This is a little bit unlike swedish, because the Dutch word "het" (meaning "it/the") thus has a short 'e', whereas the Dutch cognate of the [i]Swedish[/i] word "het" (meaning "hot") is "heet". They sound and mean the same. Dutch just needs the vowel doubled when it's not at the end of the syllable.

I don't know Spanish, but to make sure, 'ie' is pronounced like 'ea' in "beat". Note that it is in fact the long 'i', we're just not keen on writing 'ii', for boring etymological reasons. So it's 'ie'.

About the 'z', in case you were aiming at pronounciation, either English 'z' or 's' will do. Officially it were 'z', but nowadays many people (including me) only do 's's and can't even pronounce a proper 'z' when they try to (:$)

I agree with Daan, bring it on people :D

Morrighan Sunday 22nd of May 2005 04:07:42 PM
You asked for it ;) - First of all I want to thank you - you're great teachers!!! ;)

Hé! - Does it mean the "e" is long? Or it's just stressed?

"h[b]oe[/b]" - like the English "l[b]ow[/b]" or...the way I spell it

"j[b]ou[/b]" - like eng. "you" or like in "l[b]ow[/b]"

"H[b]ou[/b]" - same here

I'm not good at explanations but if I could help you somehow for some other languages I'd be glad to try :D

Take care! (BTW how do you say it in Dutch? Or some other friendly greeting at the end of a mail?) :) Morrighan

Daan Monday 23rd of May 2005 10:32:23 PM
- Hé means it's both long and stressed; it's pronounced like "heeey!"

"Hoe" is more similar to the English "who".

I currently can't really think up any word whose pronouncation would match "hou" and "jou", sorry...

Something we'd say at the end of an e-mail...usually "groetjes" (lit: greetings). When you would translate it literally it'd be "pas goed op jezelf" but that is something that mothers say when kids are going to venture abroad for the first time, or such occasions :)

Morrighan Wednesday 25th of May 2005 09:31:11 PM
- I'm repeating myself, but THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!
:)
Last question for this year (I hope)! ;)

What's the Dutch "r"? Is it like the French one? Or the English, or German? Or Scottish, may be (which by the way is very much like the Bulgarian one ;))?

Groetjes from Bulgaria! :) Morrighan

Nostromo Wednesday 25th of May 2005 11:39:56 PM
- "jou" en "hou" can be compared to how most of the uk (the south at least) says "Cow" or "Bow" or "Now"

Mathieu Friday 27th of May 2005 11:14:06 PM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by Morrighan[/i]Last question for this year (I hope)! ;) [/quote]
I hope not :)

[quote][i]Originally posted by Morrighan[/i]
What's the Dutch "r"? Is it like the French one? Or the English, or German? Or Scottish, may be (which by the way is very much like the Bulgarian one ;))?
[/quote]

Anything goes, except for the English one. Rolling and uvular (French) are fine (the latter is more used), I think the Dutch one is slightly more in the front of the mouth than the French one, but describing phonetics is kind of silly, you'll have to hear it and you'll do it right without notice. That's for syllable initial r's. R's on syllable endings are different, can't really explain but maybe you'll do it right automatically too. I think in for example German the same distinction is there.

Remember that 'ou' and 'au' are identical in speech. Remember also that 'au!' is the Dutch exclaimation of pain, and it has the same vowel as English 'ouch!' (also same as the ones Nostromo mentioned).

Edit: can someone confirm if German r's are exactly in agreement with the Dutch ones (both syllable initial and ending)? Because I suspect they are the same, but my German is bad.

Daan Saturday 28th of May 2005 03:54:49 PM
- When I pronounce them, they sound the same, but that could also mean that my pronunciation of German is horrible :D

On a serious note, I presume they are the same or at least very similar.

tatilago Monday 30th of May 2005 08:50:23 PM
I'd like to learn Dutch... - Hello, Liz! Could you help to speak some phrases in Nederlands' language? I have interests at Holland. If it'd be possible, I want to talk about this country.
Regards,
Dank je.

Mathieu Monday 30th of May 2005 10:39:21 PM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by tatilago[/i]

Hello, Liz! Could you help to speak some phrases in Nederlands' language? I have interests at Holland. If it'd be possible, I want to talk about this country.
Regards,
Dank je.[/quote]

That was posted almost a year back :) But don't be sad, there are tons of natives here to aid you, so just post any question or peculiarities you can come up with!

Chiana Friday 03rd of June 2005 07:52:19 PM
en - Hey People!

Do you pronounce the "en" at the end of words, like beneden? Is it just me or are people trailing off at the end?

Also, how would you pronounce zij? Is it like zigh or zee?

Daan Friday 03rd of June 2005 08:13:59 PM
- It should be pronounced, but you're right: a lot of people don't pronounce "-en", particularly in informal speech. In formal speech, however, you have to pronounce it.

The "ij"-dipthong is pronounced like the eil in the French word réveil.

Check this site, too: http://www.gironet.nl/home/ndejongh/curse/dutchpron.html
and feel free to bombard us with questions if you have any left! :)

Chiana Friday 03rd of June 2005 09:43:29 PM
ROFLMAO!!!! - Loved the link!

Bedankt!

Mathieu Friday 03rd of June 2005 10:55:42 PM
- About the plural -en suffix, it is pronounced as a short 'uh' sound (the vowel from 'burn'). The 'n' can be pronounced if you want, but often it's silent. The important thing is you get the vowel right, so this time around it isn't like the 'e' from (both English and Dutch) 'bed', which it normally is, when short. So, the word 'bedden' (beds) would be pronounced like "bedduh", though the word 'den' (pine), is pronounced "den", because here it is not the plural suffix, but part of the word.

Edit: 'beneden' ends on the 'uh' as well. Hmm, it seems most words are like that, it also goes for the verb ending -en. I'd say, unless you're 100% sure the -en is a meaningful part of the word, go for the 'uh'.

Chiana Saturday 04th of June 2005 04:53:05 AM
- Thanks, Teup!

What does eigenlijk mean? And why does it keep pulling up Goth and S&M sites?

Mathieu Saturday 04th of June 2005 03:34:27 PM
- eigenlijk is a filler, like 'actually' or 'really' or 'in fact'.

Goth and S&M sites? Geen idee eigenlijk ;) Add a space and it means 'own corpse', maybe that has something to do with it :D

Phrasebase Archive
	Lizzi590	Sunday 22nd of August 2004 03:54:37 AM
	Dutch - Hello, I am Liz and I want help with speaking Dutch, anyone out there interested?
	mari-alhillo	Sunday 02nd of January 2005 09:09:05 PM
	- if it's still actual your proposal i am interested.So what you say?
	lowenguard	Sunday 02nd of January 2005 10:22:00 PM
	- hey mari.. I read your reply here; Do you speak Dutch, or do you wanna learn Dutch? I noticed that you live in Holland, and you speak Romanian. I am looking for people who can help me with Romanian, so maybe we could help each other? and... best wishes for 2005. Let's make it a great year! ohh and Liz, if you still want help too, just send me an email!
	kristiemac	Wednesday 05th of January 2005 02:16:39 PM
	I'd like to learn dutch... - Hi there.. If the offer is still available I would like to learn dutch and try emailing with you... I am still in very basic beginner level and it will only be via email until i get internet at home (very soon). Hope to hear from you... Kristie
	byz	Sunday 08th of May 2005 04:31:54 PM
	ı would like to speak dutch - Hi :) If the offer is still available I would like to speak dutch . Hope to hear from you beyza
	Mathieu	Sunday 08th of May 2005 08:37:12 PM
	- If you guys want to learn, then why are y'all so silent! Please, post on the forum, that's what it's for, right :) I won't teach by myself but I can answer all questions... so keep posting and remember there are no stupid questions... well, really... there are, but not in language learning!! :D
	Morrighan	Tuesday 17th of May 2005 08:18:04 PM
	Help wanted :) - So I see you can help me learn some basics in Dutch, right? :) I wanna know how to say: Hi! How are you? I'm fine, thank you! Are you busy? Please! Thank you! See you! No!/Yes! I love you! Friend. I miss you!/I missed you! Well, I can't think of something more but it'll be great if you can help me with these words and phrases. And give me some tips how to read them - I speak English, Swedish, Danish, French, Spanish, Turkish... so you may give me some examples from these languages :) Thanks in advance!!! Morrighan
	Mathieu	Tuesday 17th of May 2005 09:51:59 PM
	- [b]Hi![/b] - Hoi! / Hé! [b]How are you?[/b] - Hoe gaat het? (similar to 'hur går det') / Hoe is het? (similar to 'hur är det') / Hoe is het met jou (similar to 'hur är det med dig') etc. [b]I'm fine, thank you![/b] - Goed, dank je (informal) / Goed, bedankt / Goed, dank u (formal) [b]Please![/b] - Alsjeblieft (informal) / Alstublieft (formal). This is not a literal translation that works in all contexts, but 'Als(je/tu)blieft' is at least used just as Swedish 'varsågod' is used. [b]Thank you![/b] - Bedankt / Dank je (informal) / Dank u (formal) [b]See you![/b] - Tot ziens! (may well be used in formal situations) [b]No!/Yes![/b] - Nee!/Ja! [b]I love you![/b] - Ik hou van je! (assuming informality here :D) [b]Friend.[/b] - Vriend [b]I miss you!/I missed you![/b] - Ik mis je! Ik heb je gemist! 'Tips on how to read them', just ask if you're not 100% sure about something, because I don't really know what else I should add at this point..
	Morrighan	Thursday 19th of May 2005 06:39:41 PM
	Dank je! :) - Thanks a lot! :) About the prononciation - is it pronounced the way it's spelled? Is it like Swedish? And is "aa" equal to "å" or is it like long "a"? Is "u" like in Swedish (hus, t.ex.)? How do you pronounce "ie" (vriend)? Like in English "friend" or like the Spanish "miento"? How do you read "z"? Sorry, too many questions... But I really want to learn! Great language, indeed! :)
	Daan	Thursday 19th of May 2005 10:53:20 PM
	- [quote] About the prononciation - is it pronounced the way it's spelled? [/quote] Well, not always, but we don't do strange things similar to French where they don't pronounce certain parts of words. [quote] Is it like Swedish? And is "aa" equal to "å" or is it like long "a"?[/quote] My Swedish pronuncation isn't all that, but my Dutch "aa" sounds like my Swedish long "a". [quote] Is "u" like in Swedish (hus, t.ex.)? [/quote] My Swedish really ain't good enough to answer this one, sorry. [quote] How do you pronounce "ie" (vriend)? Like in English "friend" or like the Spanish "miento"? [/quote] Like the Spanish "miento". [quote] How do you read "z"? [/quote] When you're spelling a word (I assume that's what you mean) we'd use something that sounds like "zet" (Dutch). [quote] Sorry, too many questions... But I really want to learn! Great language, indeed! :)[/quote] Nono, you're welcome! Bury us under a stockpile of questions! ;)
	Mathieu	Friday 20th of May 2005 12:14:53 AM
	- Yes, to me 'u' is similar to Swedish 'u', although I'm not supposed to think that according to guides.. Anyway, what's for sure is that Dutch 'u' is like German 'ü', and that is somewhere between Swedish u and y in my opinion (either will do, Dutch is less delicate about this than Swedish). aa is long 'a', that's correct, just like 'ee' is long 'e', 'oo' is long 'o' 'uu' is long 'u' (for the record: single is the uh-sound, double is that german ü sound). Single written vowels can be long also, when they're at the end of a syllable. This is a little bit unlike swedish, because the Dutch word "het" (meaning "it/the") thus has a short 'e', whereas the Dutch cognate of the [i]Swedish[/i] word "het" (meaning "hot") is "heet". They sound and mean the same. Dutch just needs the vowel doubled when it's not at the end of the syllable. I don't know Spanish, but to make sure, 'ie' is pronounced like 'ea' in "beat". Note that it is in fact the long 'i', we're just not keen on writing 'ii', for boring etymological reasons. So it's 'ie'. About the 'z', in case you were aiming at pronounciation, either English 'z' or 's' will do. Officially it were 'z', but nowadays many people (including me) only do 's's and can't even pronounce a proper 'z' when they try to (:$) I agree with Daan, bring it on people :D
	Morrighan	Sunday 22nd of May 2005 04:07:42 PM
	You asked for it ;) - First of all I want to thank you - you're great teachers!!! ;) Hé! - Does it mean the "e" is long? Or it's just stressed? "h[b]oe[/b]" - like the English "l[b]ow[/b]" or...the way I spell it "j[b]ou[/b]" - like eng. "you" or like in "l[b]ow[/b]" "H[b]ou[/b]" - same here I'm not good at explanations but if I could help you somehow for some other languages I'd be glad to try :D Take care! (BTW how do you say it in Dutch? Or some other friendly greeting at the end of a mail?) :) Morrighan
	Daan	Monday 23rd of May 2005 10:32:23 PM
	- Hé means it's both long and stressed; it's pronounced like "heeey!" "Hoe" is more similar to the English "who". I currently can't really think up any word whose pronouncation would match "hou" and "jou", sorry... Something we'd say at the end of an e-mail...usually "groetjes" (lit: greetings). When you would translate it literally it'd be "pas goed op jezelf" but that is something that mothers say when kids are going to venture abroad for the first time, or such occasions :)
	Morrighan	Wednesday 25th of May 2005 09:31:11 PM
	- I'm repeating myself, but THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!! :) Last question for this year (I hope)! ;) What's the Dutch "r"? Is it like the French one? Or the English, or German? Or Scottish, may be (which by the way is very much like the Bulgarian one ;))? Groetjes from Bulgaria! :) Morrighan
	Nostromo	Wednesday 25th of May 2005 11:39:56 PM
	- "jou" en "hou" can be compared to how most of the uk (the south at least) says "Cow" or "Bow" or "Now"
	Mathieu	Friday 27th of May 2005 11:14:06 PM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by Morrighan[/i]Last question for this year (I hope)! ;) [/quote] I hope not :) [quote][i]Originally posted by Morrighan[/i] What's the Dutch "r"? Is it like the French one? Or the English, or German? Or Scottish, may be (which by the way is very much like the Bulgarian one ;))? [/quote] Anything goes, except for the English one. Rolling and uvular (French) are fine (the latter is more used), I think the Dutch one is slightly more in the front of the mouth than the French one, but describing phonetics is kind of silly, you'll have to hear it and you'll do it right without notice. That's for syllable initial r's. R's on syllable endings are different, can't really explain but maybe you'll do it right automatically too. I think in for example German the same distinction is there. Remember that 'ou' and 'au' are identical in speech. Remember also that 'au!' is the Dutch exclaimation of pain, and it has the same vowel as English 'ouch!' (also same as the ones Nostromo mentioned). Edit: can someone confirm if German r's are exactly in agreement with the Dutch ones (both syllable initial and ending)? Because I suspect they are the same, but my German is bad.
	Daan	Saturday 28th of May 2005 03:54:49 PM
	- When I pronounce them, they sound the same, but that could also mean that my pronunciation of German is horrible :D On a serious note, I presume they are the same or at least very similar.
	tatilago	Monday 30th of May 2005 08:50:23 PM
	I'd like to learn Dutch... - Hello, Liz! Could you help to speak some phrases in Nederlands' language? I have interests at Holland. If it'd be possible, I want to talk about this country. Regards, Dank je.
	Mathieu	Monday 30th of May 2005 10:39:21 PM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by tatilago[/i] Hello, Liz! Could you help to speak some phrases in Nederlands' language? I have interests at Holland. If it'd be possible, I want to talk about this country. Regards, Dank je.[/quote] That was posted almost a year back :) But don't be sad, there are tons of natives here to aid you, so just post any question or peculiarities you can come up with!
	Chiana	Friday 03rd of June 2005 07:52:19 PM
	en - Hey People! Do you pronounce the "en" at the end of words, like beneden? Is it just me or are people trailing off at the end? Also, how would you pronounce zij? Is it like zigh or zee?
	Daan	Friday 03rd of June 2005 08:13:59 PM
	- It should be pronounced, but you're right: a lot of people don't pronounce "-en", particularly in informal speech. In formal speech, however, you have to pronounce it. The "ij"-dipthong is pronounced like the eil in the French word réveil. Check this site, too: http://www.gironet.nl/home/ndejongh/curse/dutchpron.html and feel free to bombard us with questions if you have any left! :)
	Chiana	Friday 03rd of June 2005 09:43:29 PM
	ROFLMAO!!!! - Loved the link! Bedankt!
	Mathieu	Friday 03rd of June 2005 10:55:42 PM
	- About the plural -en suffix, it is pronounced as a short 'uh' sound (the vowel from 'burn'). The 'n' can be pronounced if you want, but often it's silent. The important thing is you get the vowel right, so this time around it isn't like the 'e' from (both English and Dutch) 'bed', which it normally is, when short. So, the word 'bedden' (beds) would be pronounced like "bedduh", though the word 'den' (pine), is pronounced "den", because here it is not the plural suffix, but part of the word. Edit: 'beneden' ends on the 'uh' as well. Hmm, it seems most words are like that, it also goes for the verb ending -en. I'd say, unless you're 100% sure the -en is a meaningful part of the word, go for the 'uh'.
	Chiana	Saturday 04th of June 2005 04:53:05 AM
	- Thanks, Teup! What does eigenlijk mean? And why does it keep pulling up Goth and S&M sites?
	Mathieu	Saturday 04th of June 2005 03:34:27 PM
	- eigenlijk is a filler, like 'actually' or 'really' or 'in fact'. Goth and S&M sites? Geen idee eigenlijk ;) Add a space and it means 'own corpse', maybe that has something to do with it :D