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Laboro Saturday 20th of May 2006 07:44:50 AM
Learn Dutch - Leer Nederlands - Check out this link!

http://www.ielanguages.com/dutch.html

As a native speaker of Dutch I can tell you this website gives a great idea of how our language is built for those interested in Dutch. It even explains you cultural/historical details (you know all grammar is boring).

You should check this out. It also has sections for other languages.

Veel geluk met je Nederlands! Het is echt geen moeilijke taal.

One detail, don\'t trust the explanation of the pronunciation too much. It teaches you the fake pseudo-anglophonic Dutch many brainless youth prefer.

I sadly have little time to record some Dutch by microphone, but I promise I\'ll work on it. One can only learn our language by hearing it. If things work out well, I might even try to explain regional/dialectic Dutch or share you some Dutch literature (from the 17th century until now), but for now that\'s still too far ahead.

Eli Saturday 20th of May 2006 05:07:15 PM
- Thanks!
It seems like a nice site.
But I have a question about \"I love you\" expression in the first chapter. Shouldn\'t it be \"Ik houd van je\" or \"Ik houd van jou\". Anyway, why they omit \"d\" in the end of the verb?

Laboro Saturday 20th of May 2006 06:50:25 PM
- Good question. In fact, both forms are correct:

ik houd van je/jou (formal, written)
ik hou van je/jou (informal, spoken)

It\'s rare for a native to pronounce the last consonant, I have never heard it but only seen it written (subconciously I write \"ik houd van je\" but say \"ik hou van je\").

I guess they only write the \'d\' because of the infinitive \"houden van\" and perhaps it used to be spoken out in older Dutch.

Mathieu Sunday 21st of May 2006 06:31:43 PM
- Yeah, the \"d\" is dropped from.. I think many stems with \"oud\"/\"aud\" and \"ijd\"/\"eid\". In these, it\'s sort of possible to maintain the \"d\" in the spelling:
[i]Ik houd ervan
Ik rijd
Ik snijd[/i]

But in many cases it is not:

[i]*Snijdplank
*Rijdbewijs
*Ik zeid
*Ik woud[/i]

Plus the fact that it\'s not pronounced anyway. My advice: drop them. But.. I\'m not sure to which stems this applies, maybe someone else has thoughts on this :) The ones I mentioned obviously, but a rule? No idea..

Daan Sunday 21st of May 2006 07:58:27 PM
- Gisteren kwam ik toevallig ergens het woord \"ik zeide\" tegen. Zo zal het er vroeger uit hebben gezien, hoewel ik me momenteel niet kan herinneren wáár ik het zag staan :p

Mathieu Sunday 21st of May 2006 08:45:47 PM
- Hehe, kan goed ja. Het is ook \"seyde\" in het Middelnederlands. Nounou, nog ruim een half miljoen hits op Google ook.. misschien moeten we het maar gewoon gaan gebruiken :p

Phrasebase Archive
	Laboro	Saturday 20th of May 2006 07:44:50 AM
	Learn Dutch - Leer Nederlands - Check out this link! http://www.ielanguages.com/dutch.html As a native speaker of Dutch I can tell you this website gives a great idea of how our language is built for those interested in Dutch. It even explains you cultural/historical details (you know all grammar is boring). You should check this out. It also has sections for other languages. Veel geluk met je Nederlands! Het is echt geen moeilijke taal. One detail, don\'t trust the explanation of the pronunciation too much. It teaches you the fake pseudo-anglophonic Dutch many brainless youth prefer. I sadly have little time to record some Dutch by microphone, but I promise I\'ll work on it. One can only learn our language by hearing it. If things work out well, I might even try to explain regional/dialectic Dutch or share you some Dutch literature (from the 17th century until now), but for now that\'s still too far ahead.
	Eli	Saturday 20th of May 2006 05:07:15 PM
	- Thanks! It seems like a nice site. But I have a question about \"I love you\" expression in the first chapter. Shouldn\'t it be \"Ik houd van je\" or \"Ik houd van jou\". Anyway, why they omit \"d\" in the end of the verb?
	Laboro	Saturday 20th of May 2006 06:50:25 PM
	- Good question. In fact, both forms are correct: ik houd van je/jou (formal, written) ik hou van je/jou (informal, spoken) It\'s rare for a native to pronounce the last consonant, I have never heard it but only seen it written (subconciously I write \"ik houd van je\" but say \"ik hou van je\"). I guess they only write the \'d\' because of the infinitive \"houden van\" and perhaps it used to be spoken out in older Dutch.
	Mathieu	Sunday 21st of May 2006 06:31:43 PM
	- Yeah, the \"d\" is dropped from.. I think many stems with \"oud\"/\"aud\" and \"ijd\"/\"eid\". In these, it\'s sort of possible to maintain the \"d\" in the spelling: [i]Ik houd ervan Ik rijd Ik snijd[/i] But in many cases it is not: [i]Snijdplank Rijdbewijs Ik zeid Ik woud[/i] Plus the fact that it\'s not pronounced anyway. My advice: drop them. But.. I\'m not sure to which stems this applies, maybe someone else has thoughts on this :) The ones I mentioned obviously, but a rule? No idea..
	Daan	Sunday 21st of May 2006 07:58:27 PM
	- Gisteren kwam ik toevallig ergens het woord \"ik zeide\" tegen. Zo zal het er vroeger uit hebben gezien, hoewel ik me momenteel niet kan herinneren wáár ik het zag staan :p
	Mathieu	Sunday 21st of May 2006 08:45:47 PM
	- Hehe, kan goed ja. Het is ook \"seyde\" in het Middelnederlands. Nounou, nog ruim een half miljoen hits op Google ook.. misschien moeten we het maar gewoon gaan gebruiken :p