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Osman Thursday 29th of December 2005 04:38:17 AM
Accents of UK English - hi everybody!
one of friends from UK had made this map for me about accents of UK English.
i would like to learn if there are more...
any help are welcome...

here is the list..

1 = Highland English
2 = Scottish English
3 = Cumbrian
4 = Northumberland (Geordie)
5 = Durham (Pitmatic)
6 = Yorkshire (Tyke)
7 = Lincolnshire
8 = Lancashire
9 = Merseyside (Scouse)
10 = Mid Ulster English
11 = Hiberno English
12 = Black Country (yam Yam)
13 = Nottingham
14 = Birmingham (Brummie)
15 = Pembrokeshire dialect
16 = Welsh English
17 = Derbyshire
18 = Norfolk ( Broard English)
19 = Suffolk Dialect
20 = London (Cockney)
21 = Estuary English
22 = Cornish
23 = Southern English

and here is the map for the list...

[IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c264/mydream2121/uk-accents.jpg[/IMG]

lorelai Thursday 29th of December 2005 06:40:26 AM
- Well, that list looks rather comprehensive but you might also find [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/]this page[/url] interesting when it comes to accents of the British Isles.
Hope you'll enjoy it! :)

Osman Thursday 29th of December 2005 12:15:58 PM
- thanks for your contribution Lore!

that is a really helpful link. i got the chance to listen people from different part of uk. :)

what about us? i mean new-english learners ... (well not new if to be honest btw :D)

we talk with which accent? London-Cockney?

does anybody has any idea about that?

Shila Thursday 29th of December 2005 01:22:55 PM
- lol you wanna hear how cockney accent???

well do you have travel & living channel there?? if you do you can watch Ian Wright & Jamie Oliver programmes.. thats cockney...but Ian sometimes just exaggerating a bit :) so hope you dont get fooled by his jokes :) and Jamie he is a bit lisping. The only difference with the cockney is with the 't' like butter they will pronounce it but..ter but the second t is more like silence.. so it will sound like but..er well its kinda hard explaining it with words :) or what you can do go to online radio and choose london heart fm. well im not promoting the station :p its just that i never tried other station so u can try and listen coz some of the djs use cockney.

good luck and happy listening :p

Osman Thursday 29th of December 2005 01:47:52 PM
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thank you Tulip girl!

i will remember that.

but it didnt answer my qustion :D

i had wanted to learn that which accent of English we speak.

we = non-native speakers :)

native speakers talk the accent of the place where they are raised. but the place where non-natives raise are not a place spoken English.

for example new learners of Turkish learn "Istanbul Accent". not other accents of Turkish.
i mean do we learn Cockney accent?

well..it also depends..if our teacher comes from N.Castle-upon-Tyne, of course i know we wont have cockney accent as there are differences between them. but if our teacher is not a native too? :)

lol, lots of question for today.

by the way, Tulip i will listen Heart Fm. it sounds romantic :D

lodgey Thursday 29th of December 2005 08:36:28 PM
- Hafakan,

The English accent you learn would depend on who is teaching you. If anyone listened to my voice to help learn English, they would be learning an Australian accent because that's what I have. If you learned from an English school (as in a school from England) you would learn whatever English accent is used in that area. Much of the English-speaking Media (TV, Movies etc) comes from America, so you have a good chance of picking up a slight American influence in your English-Speaking accent.

If your teacher is not a native speaker, this all still applies, it's just one level removed. You will learn whatever accent your teacher learned. If your teacher was taught English down here in Australia, he or she will have picked up an Australian accent that would pass on to you.

Of course, if the non-native English speakers that I have met are anything to go by, your English accent is likely to be affected by your accent in your native language. I have heard people speaking English clearly and understandably with accents that I would consider Chinese, Russian etc.

Osman Thursday 29th of December 2005 10:22:39 PM
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thank you very much Lodgey!

that helped me too much!

Jing Thursday 05th of January 2006 08:12:43 PM
- That's quite good, but even the smallest places will have slightly different accents - mine comes under Black Country - i can't believe you got Yam Yam - that's so funny,
We call people that, becasue they say,
"Am Yam going down Yam shops? If Yam going down shops, can yam, yam, am, yam, am?"

Which roughly translates as,
"Am Yam going down Yam shops? If Yam going down shops, can yam, yam, am, yam, am?"

But my accent (Staffordshire) is different from Wolverhampton, which is only about 20miles away.

I also pick up languages when i go away - i spent time with my friend from Essex, and picked up her accent when i came back, and she had mine.
I also picked up an accent from my friend in Manchester when i went to see her - well, she lives slightly outside Manchester so the accent is slightly different - i can tell, but i doubt a non-native speaker would be able to tell.

My other friend, (I have lots of freinds) - claims to have no accent, as he lives near the Queen, and so everything he says is pronounced correctly - which he told to a group of stupid Americans, much to my amusement.

I have been told (by Canadians) that i have an accent, but i honestly never notice it myself - who does?

So in answer to your question, there are many many accents in th UK, and all over the world - but i wouldn't try and understand them all - i'd just learn English from whoever teaches you, and if you don't understand when someone says 'Yam' or 'Hae Ha' then asks them to speak more slowly.

Also of note - is regional dialects.
The differences between American English and English English is one example,
American - Elevator
English - Lift
American - Diaper
English - Nappy, etc....

But i know of some regional Dialect within the UK,
Black Country,
Mard - being in a bad mood - e.g, he has gone in a mard.
Merseyside,
Skitting - making fun of someone - e.g, she was skitting me.

There are many more i'm sure, and probably deserve a new topic.

Osman Thursday 05th of January 2006 10:28:56 PM
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it is quite nice too read your post. as i am interested in Accents of English (UK's) i have learnt some more after your post.

as English is a world-wide language, it should be quite normal to have so much accents. but even 20-miled differences made me a bit surprised. i thought it changes just by the cities.. of course Bristol's accent won't be same with New Castle (no way!! :)) same for Cockney and Manchester/Liverpool, even Birmingham's Broomie.

but i think in writing language everybody uses Cockney-London accent, right?

By the way, i havent been to England :D
it might seem weird as i talk about accents as a non-native speaker but i read lot about them. ;)

Thanks everybody for joining!!!!!

Cliven Thursday 05th of January 2006 11:37:59 PM
- People don't write in Cockney, The Cockney accent (East London) isn't the same as the "Standard English" accent. In fact, they're very different.

Jing Friday 06th of January 2006 12:27:32 AM
- Like i say, my accent and the one 20 miles away will be different, but they are similar and i doubt a non-native speaker would pick it up, but seeing as i live in this area, and i hear these accents everyday - it is no-problem for me.

Cliven Friday 06th of January 2006 01:40:59 AM
- The same is true for where I live :)

Osman Friday 06th of January 2006 05:19:35 AM
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[quote]People don't write in Cockney, The Cockney accent (East London) isn't the same as the "Standard English" accent. In fact, they're very different.[/quote]

ah..i am surprised! Which region talks Standard English?

Cliven Friday 06th of January 2006 11:26:03 PM
- I don't think any regions talk standard english (in casual speech). Mostly, it's on the TV or radio, and sometimes school teachers.

Don't let the fact that Cockney is spoken in East London get you confused - just because London is the capital city doesn't mean that Londoners speak Standard english :)

Osman Saturday 07th of January 2006 03:29:52 PM
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that is really good to learn it!!

thank you so much!

Jo-Lene Saturday 07th of January 2006 06:38:00 PM
Non-native, native speaker - Hafakan,

I hope this helps you get a better understanding of accents and standard english though the eyes of a non-native English speaker.

I'm from Malaysia where English is taught as a second language. However many of us, like myself grew up speaking English at home and consider it our native language.

In my humble opinion, "standard english" refers to "proper" English, the English that is formally taught in schools. And school is where we learn to write. Hence it is the written form of English prevailing throughout the world. We all learn one set of spelling and grammar, right?

Whereas "accent" is defined as, "a way of speaking typical of a particular group of people and especially of the natives or residents of a region" (Merriam-Webster)

So in my case I was taught standard english, I write standard english, my formal speech is tinged with an American accent from watching too much tv, and when I'm out with my friends I speak with a Malaysian accent! It is fondly known as Mang-lish locally. (Yeah, we pretty much mangled the language!) :-)

In short, there's the English that is in the textbooks and then there is the version that groups of people come up with.

I hope this didn't just confuse you further, teehee!

Osman Sunday 08th of January 2006 05:43:16 AM
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[quote]I hope this didn't just confuse you further, teehee! [/quote]

in contrast things become clearer by each post.

thank you so much. it was interesting to read that. i liked it!

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	Osman	Thursday 29th of December 2005 04:38:17 AM
	Accents of UK English - hi everybody! one of friends from UK had made this map for me about accents of UK English. i would like to learn if there are more... any help are welcome... here is the list.. 1 = Highland English 2 = Scottish English 3 = Cumbrian 4 = Northumberland (Geordie) 5 = Durham (Pitmatic) 6 = Yorkshire (Tyke) 7 = Lincolnshire 8 = Lancashire 9 = Merseyside (Scouse) 10 = Mid Ulster English 11 = Hiberno English 12 = Black Country (yam Yam) 13 = Nottingham 14 = Birmingham (Brummie) 15 = Pembrokeshire dialect 16 = Welsh English 17 = Derbyshire 18 = Norfolk ( Broard English) 19 = Suffolk Dialect 20 = London (Cockney) 21 = Estuary English 22 = Cornish 23 = Southern English and here is the map for the list... [IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c264/mydream2121/uk-accents.jpg[/IMG]
	lorelai	Thursday 29th of December 2005 06:40:26 AM
	- Well, that list looks rather comprehensive but you might also find [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/]this page[/url] interesting when it comes to accents of the British Isles. Hope you'll enjoy it! :)
	Osman	Thursday 29th of December 2005 12:15:58 PM
	- thanks for your contribution Lore! that is a really helpful link. i got the chance to listen people from different part of uk. :) what about us? i mean new-english learners ... (well not new if to be honest btw :D) we talk with which accent? London-Cockney? does anybody has any idea about that?
	Shila	Thursday 29th of December 2005 01:22:55 PM
	- lol you wanna hear how cockney accent??? well do you have travel & living channel there?? if you do you can watch Ian Wright & Jamie Oliver programmes.. thats cockney...but Ian sometimes just exaggerating a bit :) so hope you dont get fooled by his jokes :) and Jamie he is a bit lisping. The only difference with the cockney is with the 't' like butter they will pronounce it but..ter but the second t is more like silence.. so it will sound like but..er well its kinda hard explaining it with words :) or what you can do go to online radio and choose london heart fm. well im not promoting the station :p its just that i never tried other station so u can try and listen coz some of the djs use cockney. good luck and happy listening :p
	Osman	Thursday 29th of December 2005 01:47:52 PM
	- thank you Tulip girl! i will remember that. but it didnt answer my qustion :D i had wanted to learn that which accent of English we speak. we = non-native speakers :) native speakers talk the accent of the place where they are raised. but the place where non-natives raise are not a place spoken English. for example new learners of Turkish learn "Istanbul Accent". not other accents of Turkish. i mean do we learn Cockney accent? well..it also depends..if our teacher comes from N.Castle-upon-Tyne, of course i know we wont have cockney accent as there are differences between them. but if our teacher is not a native too? :) lol, lots of question for today. by the way, Tulip i will listen Heart Fm. it sounds romantic :D
	lodgey	Thursday 29th of December 2005 08:36:28 PM
	- Hafakan, The English accent you learn would depend on who is teaching you. If anyone listened to my voice to help learn English, they would be learning an Australian accent because that's what I have. If you learned from an English school (as in a school from England) you would learn whatever English accent is used in that area. Much of the English-speaking Media (TV, Movies etc) comes from America, so you have a good chance of picking up a slight American influence in your English-Speaking accent. If your teacher is not a native speaker, this all still applies, it's just one level removed. You will learn whatever accent your teacher learned. If your teacher was taught English down here in Australia, he or she will have picked up an Australian accent that would pass on to you. Of course, if the non-native English speakers that I have met are anything to go by, your English accent is likely to be affected by your accent in your native language. I have heard people speaking English clearly and understandably with accents that I would consider Chinese, Russian etc.
	Osman	Thursday 29th of December 2005 10:22:39 PM
	- thank you very much Lodgey! that helped me too much!
	Jing	Thursday 05th of January 2006 08:12:43 PM
	- That's quite good, but even the smallest places will have slightly different accents - mine comes under Black Country - i can't believe you got Yam Yam - that's so funny, We call people that, becasue they say, "Am Yam going down Yam shops? If Yam going down shops, can yam, yam, am, yam, am?" Which roughly translates as, "Am Yam going down Yam shops? If Yam going down shops, can yam, yam, am, yam, am?" But my accent (Staffordshire) is different from Wolverhampton, which is only about 20miles away. I also pick up languages when i go away - i spent time with my friend from Essex, and picked up her accent when i came back, and she had mine. I also picked up an accent from my friend in Manchester when i went to see her - well, she lives slightly outside Manchester so the accent is slightly different - i can tell, but i doubt a non-native speaker would be able to tell. My other friend, (I have lots of freinds) - claims to have no accent, as he lives near the Queen, and so everything he says is pronounced correctly - which he told to a group of stupid Americans, much to my amusement. I have been told (by Canadians) that i have an accent, but i honestly never notice it myself - who does? So in answer to your question, there are many many accents in th UK, and all over the world - but i wouldn't try and understand them all - i'd just learn English from whoever teaches you, and if you don't understand when someone says 'Yam' or 'Hae Ha' then asks them to speak more slowly. Also of note - is regional dialects. The differences between American English and English English is one example, American - Elevator English - Lift American - Diaper English - Nappy, etc.... But i know of some regional Dialect within the UK, Black Country, Mard - being in a bad mood - e.g, he has gone in a mard. Merseyside, Skitting - making fun of someone - e.g, she was skitting me. There are many more i'm sure, and probably deserve a new topic.
	Osman	Thursday 05th of January 2006 10:28:56 PM
	- it is quite nice too read your post. as i am interested in Accents of English (UK's) i have learnt some more after your post. as English is a world-wide language, it should be quite normal to have so much accents. but even 20-miled differences made me a bit surprised. i thought it changes just by the cities.. of course Bristol's accent won't be same with New Castle (no way!! :)) same for Cockney and Manchester/Liverpool, even Birmingham's Broomie. but i think in writing language everybody uses Cockney-London accent, right? By the way, i havent been to England :D it might seem weird as i talk about accents as a non-native speaker but i read lot about them. ;) Thanks everybody for joining!!!!!
	Cliven	Thursday 05th of January 2006 11:37:59 PM
	- People don't write in Cockney, The Cockney accent (East London) isn't the same as the "Standard English" accent. In fact, they're very different.
	Jing	Friday 06th of January 2006 12:27:32 AM
	- Like i say, my accent and the one 20 miles away will be different, but they are similar and i doubt a non-native speaker would pick it up, but seeing as i live in this area, and i hear these accents everyday - it is no-problem for me.
	Cliven	Friday 06th of January 2006 01:40:59 AM
	- The same is true for where I live :)
	Osman	Friday 06th of January 2006 05:19:35 AM
	- [quote]People don't write in Cockney, The Cockney accent (East London) isn't the same as the "Standard English" accent. In fact, they're very different.[/quote] ah..i am surprised! Which region talks Standard English?
	Cliven	Friday 06th of January 2006 11:26:03 PM
	- I don't think any regions talk standard english (in casual speech). Mostly, it's on the TV or radio, and sometimes school teachers. Don't let the fact that Cockney is spoken in East London get you confused - just because London is the capital city doesn't mean that Londoners speak Standard english :)
	Osman	Saturday 07th of January 2006 03:29:52 PM
	- that is really good to learn it!! thank you so much!
	Jo-Lene	Saturday 07th of January 2006 06:38:00 PM
	Non-native, native speaker - Hafakan, I hope this helps you get a better understanding of accents and standard english though the eyes of a non-native English speaker. I'm from Malaysia where English is taught as a second language. However many of us, like myself grew up speaking English at home and consider it our native language. In my humble opinion, "standard english" refers to "proper" English, the English that is formally taught in schools. And school is where we learn to write. Hence it is the written form of English prevailing throughout the world. We all learn one set of spelling and grammar, right? Whereas "accent" is defined as, "a way of speaking typical of a particular group of people and especially of the natives or residents of a region" (Merriam-Webster) So in my case I was taught standard english, I write standard english, my formal speech is tinged with an American accent from watching too much tv, and when I'm out with my friends I speak with a Malaysian accent! It is fondly known as Mang-lish locally. (Yeah, we pretty much mangled the language!) :-) In short, there's the English that is in the textbooks and then there is the version that groups of people come up with. I hope this didn't just confuse you further, teehee!
	Osman	Sunday 08th of January 2006 05:43:16 AM
	- [quote]I hope this didn't just confuse you further, teehee! [/quote] in contrast things become clearer by each post. thank you so much. it was interesting to read that. i liked it!