Hebrew מספרים Numbers In Masculine And Feminine From 1-10

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ladysmyrna Wednesday 12th of July 2006 01:50:35 AM
מספרים - Here are the numbers in Hebrew both in feminine and masculine from 1-10. These will be very useful as you start building up sentences such as \"two girls, four cars etc...\" Because you\'ll have to choose the number that is correct in gender that will fit the gender of the noun you\'re using.

[b]Feminine[/b]
--------

אחת : achat (1)
שתיים : shtayim (2)
שלוש : shalosh (3)
ארבע : arba (4)
חמש : chamesh (5)
שש : shesh (6)
שבע : sheva (7)
שמונה : shmone (8)
תשע : tesha (9)
עשר : eser (10)

[b]Masculine[/b]
---------

אחד : echad
שניים : shnayim
שלושה : shlosha
ארבעה : arba\'a
חמישה : chamisha
שישה : shisha
שבעה : shva\'a
שמונה : shmona
תשעה : tish\'a
עשרה : asara

makt2000 Wednesday 12th of July 2006 11:16:57 PM
- There is something I can\'t understand about numbers . How come does all the musculine numbers have a Hey in the end ?
Or are they feminine in the first place and we just use the reverse gendre when numbering as in Arabic for example ?

Eli Thursday 13th of July 2006 02:12:28 AM
- I really don\'t understand your question...
But as far as I know, in Arabic it\'s the same. You have musculine and feminine words and one should fit a number to the gender of the word.

makt2000 Thursday 13th of July 2006 05:18:04 AM
- I mean in Arabic for example if you say \"Three Girls\"
Girls of course is feminine , so you use the musculine word for three \" thlath Banat \" not \" Thalathat Banat \" and so on . It\'s a unique rule for numbering but not for all adjectives . I figured out since Arabic and Hebrew are relative languages so it might be the same .

ladysmyrna Thursday 13th of July 2006 02:43:51 PM
- I understand what you mean Makt2000! I thought about it too :D

ladysmyrna Thursday 13th of July 2006 04:58:58 PM
Now some sentences to see the usage of feminine and masculine numbers! - זכר (zachar) - MASCULINE
------------------------
שני תלמידים [b]2[/b] (shney talmidot) 2 students
שלושה מורים [b]3[/b] (shlosha morim) 3 teachers
ארבעה חברים [b]4[/b] (arba\'a chaverim) 4 friends
חמישה ספרים [b]5[/b] (chamisha sfarim) 5 books
שישה חילים [b]6[/b] (shisha chayalim) 6 soldiers
שבעה ילדים [b]7[/b] (shva\'a yeladim) 7 children
שמונה שקלים [b]8[/b] (shmona shkalim] 8 shekels
תשעה מכתבים [b]9[/b] (tish\'a michtavim)9 letters
עשרה דפים [b]10[/b](asara dapim) 10 pages

מקבה (nekeva) - FEMININE
------------------------
שתי תלמידות [b]2[/b] (shtey talmidot) 2 students
שלוש מורות [b]3[/b] (shalosh morot) 3 teachers
ארבע חברות [b]4[/b] (arba chaverot) 4 friends
חמש מחברות [b]5[/b] (chamesh machbarot) 5 notebooks
שש כיתות [b]6[/b] (shesh kitot) 6 classrooms
שבע דירות [b]7[/b] (sheva dirot) 7 apartments
שמונה מכוניות [b]8[/b] (shmone mechoniyot) 8 cars
תשה חילות [b]9[/b] (tesha chayalot) 9 soldiers
עשר אגורות [b]10[/b](eser agorot) 10 agorot (Israeli cents)

ladysmyrna Thursday 13th of July 2006 05:06:19 PM
- Oh what about \"1\"?!?!?! :D

Unlike the numbers that we see above \"1\" (achat-feminine- and echad-masculine) is placed after the noun.

[b]ledugma:[/b]

בן אחד (ben echad) a son
בת אחת (bat achat) a daughter

Eli Friday 14th of July 2006 04:55:01 AM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by makt2000[/i]

I mean in Arabic for example if you say \\\"Three Girls\\\"
Girls of course is feminine , so you use the musculine word for three \\\" thlath Banat \\\" not \\\" Thalathat Banat \\\" and so on . It\'s a unique rule for numbering but not for all adjectives . I figured out since Arabic and Hebrew are relative languages so it might be the same .[/quote]

Hmmm.........I don\'t understand. You use masculine word for \"three\" when you count girls and vice versa?
That\'s rare. I didn\'t know that.
Or maybe I don\'t understand something.
For example, tell me if it\'s right:
5 men - hamas rigal
5 girls - hamsat banat
If it\'s right which of them is feminine and which masculine, coz I am really confused now....

Anyway, in Hebrew, if the gender of the word is male, you use \"male\" number and if feminine - feminine.
For example:
ספר - book is masculine ------> חמישה ספרים - five books.
מחברת - paper notebook is feminine ------> שלוש מחברות
שולחן - table is masculie ------> שולחן אחד, ארבעה שולחנות
(pay attention that שולחן although is masculine has a feminine ending (-ot)! For non-native is\'t really confusing, but in the beginning it shouldn\'t bother you too much. But remember, what defines whether it\'s ארבעה or ארבע is a gender and not the ending!)

makt2000 Friday 14th of July 2006 09:13:58 AM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by lekker[/i]

[quote][i]Originally posted by makt2000[/i]

I mean in Arabic for example if you say \\\\\\\"Three Girls\\\\\\\"
Girls of course is feminine , so you use the musculine word for three \\\\\\\" thlath Banat \\\\\\\" not \\\\\\\" Thalathat Banat \\\\\\\" and so on . It\'s a unique rule for numbering but not for all adjectives . I figured out since Arabic and Hebrew are relative languages so it might be the same .[/quote]

Hmmm.........I don\'t understand. You use masculine word for \\\"three\\\" when you count girls and vice versa?
That\'s rare. I didn\'t know that.
Or maybe I don\'t understand something.
For example, tell me if it\'s right:
5 men - hamas rigal
5 girls - hamsat banat
If it\'s right which of them is feminine and which masculine, coz I am really confused now....

Anyway, in Hebrew, if the gender of the word is male, you use \\\"male\\\" number and if feminine - feminine.
For example:
ספר - book is masculine ------> חמישה ספרים - five books.
מחברת - paper notebook is feminine ------> שלוש מחברות
שולחן - table is masculie ------> שולחן אחד, ארבעה שולחנות
(pay attention that שולחן although is masculine has a feminine ending (-ot)! For non-native is\'t really confusing, but in the beginning it shouldn\'t bother you too much. But remember, what defines whether it\'s ארבעה or ארבע is a gender and not the ending!)
[/quote]

Well maybe it\'s not common in day-to-day Arabic . But it\'s the rule in Standard Arabic when using numbers from 3 to 10 . Anyway I got your point about the mesparim in Hebrew .

roeeh Friday 14th of July 2006 06:47:41 PM
- ok, as a speaker of both hebrew and arabic i think i can make a little order in the little mess you got here:

basically, it works exactly the same in both languages. from some historic reason (i have no idea why) the numeriucal masculine and feminine forms got swaped and therefore the masculine set of numbers has a feminine structue, or form:
in hebrew they end with \"ה\" which is usually characteristic for feminine forms.
in arabic it\'s even more extreme because they end with \"ta marbuta\" (ة ), which is used solely to indicate feminine words.
despite the feminine form, they are masculine and are used to describe masculine nouns.

for example, three houses (masculine nouns in both languages):
שלושה בתים - shlosha batim
ثلاثة بيوت - thalathat buyut

the nouns are masculine, the adjectives (numbers) are masculine, but the gramatical forms LOOK like feminine ones.

and vice versa - three families (feminine in both languages):
שלוש משפחות - shalosh mishpakhot
ثلاث عائلات - thalath a\'ilat

the nouns and adjectives are feminine but the forms LOOK like masculine forms.

in both languages i can\'t recall other cases where feminine-looking forms are used as masculine forms or the other way around.

the bottom line is that it\'s just a surface irregular form both in hebrew and in arabic and you just have to remember that masculine numbers look feminine although they are not, and feminine numbers look masculine although they are not. as always, looks are deceiving...

hope it\'s a little clearer now.

Eli Saturday 15th of July 2006 03:46:36 AM
- O.K.
Thanks!
Now I see that I should have said:
\"hamas banat\" and \"hamasat rigal\" and not as I wrote, right?

roeeh Saturday 15th of July 2006 03:54:45 PM
- correct.

Phrasebase Archive
	ladysmyrna	Wednesday 12th of July 2006 01:50:35 AM
	מספרים - Here are the numbers in Hebrew both in feminine and masculine from 1-10. These will be very useful as you start building up sentences such as \"two girls, four cars etc...\" Because you\'ll have to choose the number that is correct in gender that will fit the gender of the noun you\'re using. [b]Feminine[/b] -------- אחת : achat (1) שתיים : shtayim (2) שלוש : shalosh (3) ארבע : arba (4) חמש : chamesh (5) שש : shesh (6) שבע : sheva (7) שמונה : shmone (8) תשע : tesha (9) עשר : eser (10) [b]Masculine[/b] --------- אחד : echad שניים : shnayim שלושה : shlosha ארבעה : arba\'a חמישה : chamisha שישה : shisha שבעה : shva\'a שמונה : shmona תשעה : tish\'a עשרה : asara
	makt2000	Wednesday 12th of July 2006 11:16:57 PM
	- There is something I can\'t understand about numbers . How come does all the musculine numbers have a Hey in the end ? Or are they feminine in the first place and we just use the reverse gendre when numbering as in Arabic for example ?
	Eli	Thursday 13th of July 2006 02:12:28 AM
	- I really don\'t understand your question... But as far as I know, in Arabic it\'s the same. You have musculine and feminine words and one should fit a number to the gender of the word.
	makt2000	Thursday 13th of July 2006 05:18:04 AM
	- I mean in Arabic for example if you say \"Three Girls\" Girls of course is feminine , so you use the musculine word for three \" thlath Banat \" not \" Thalathat Banat \" and so on . It\'s a unique rule for numbering but not for all adjectives . I figured out since Arabic and Hebrew are relative languages so it might be the same .
	ladysmyrna	Thursday 13th of July 2006 02:43:51 PM
	- I understand what you mean Makt2000! I thought about it too :D
	ladysmyrna	Thursday 13th of July 2006 04:58:58 PM
	Now some sentences to see the usage of feminine and masculine numbers! - זכר (zachar) - MASCULINE ------------------------ שני תלמידים [b]2[/b] (shney talmidot) 2 students שלושה מורים [b]3[/b] (shlosha morim) 3 teachers ארבעה חברים [b]4[/b] (arba\'a chaverim) 4 friends חמישה ספרים [b]5[/b] (chamisha sfarim) 5 books שישה חילים [b]6[/b] (shisha chayalim) 6 soldiers שבעה ילדים [b]7[/b] (shva\'a yeladim) 7 children שמונה שקלים [b]8[/b] (shmona shkalim] 8 shekels תשעה מכתבים [b]9[/b] (tish\'a michtavim)9 letters עשרה דפים [b]10[/b](asara dapim) 10 pages מקבה (nekeva) - FEMININE ------------------------ שתי תלמידות [b]2[/b] (shtey talmidot) 2 students שלוש מורות [b]3[/b] (shalosh morot) 3 teachers ארבע חברות [b]4[/b] (arba chaverot) 4 friends חמש מחברות [b]5[/b] (chamesh machbarot) 5 notebooks שש כיתות [b]6[/b] (shesh kitot) 6 classrooms שבע דירות [b]7[/b] (sheva dirot) 7 apartments שמונה מכוניות [b]8[/b] (shmone mechoniyot) 8 cars תשה חילות [b]9[/b] (tesha chayalot) 9 soldiers עשר אגורות [b]10[/b](eser agorot) 10 agorot (Israeli cents)
	ladysmyrna	Thursday 13th of July 2006 05:06:19 PM
	- Oh what about \"1\"?!?!?! :D Unlike the numbers that we see above \"1\" (achat-feminine- and echad-masculine) is placed after the noun. [b]ledugma:[/b] בן אחד (ben echad) a son בת אחת (bat achat) a daughter
	Eli	Friday 14th of July 2006 04:55:01 AM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by makt2000[/i] I mean in Arabic for example if you say \\\"Three Girls\\\" Girls of course is feminine , so you use the musculine word for three \\\" thlath Banat \\\" not \\\" Thalathat Banat \\\" and so on . It\'s a unique rule for numbering but not for all adjectives . I figured out since Arabic and Hebrew are relative languages so it might be the same .[/quote] Hmmm.........I don\'t understand. You use masculine word for \"three\" when you count girls and vice versa? That\'s rare. I didn\'t know that. Or maybe I don\'t understand something. For example, tell me if it\'s right: 5 men - hamas rigal 5 girls - hamsat banat If it\'s right which of them is feminine and which masculine, coz I am really confused now.... Anyway, in Hebrew, if the gender of the word is male, you use \"male\" number and if feminine - feminine. For example: ספר - book is masculine ------> חמישה ספרים - five books. מחברת - paper notebook is feminine ------> שלוש מחברות שולחן - table is masculie ------> שולחן אחד, ארבעה שולחנות (pay attention that שולחן although is masculine has a feminine ending (-ot)! For non-native is\'t really confusing, but in the beginning it shouldn\'t bother you too much. But remember, what defines whether it\'s ארבעה or ארבע is a gender and not the ending!)
	makt2000	Friday 14th of July 2006 09:13:58 AM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by lekker[/i] [quote][i]Originally posted by makt2000[/i] I mean in Arabic for example if you say \\\\\\\"Three Girls\\\\\\\" Girls of course is feminine , so you use the musculine word for three \\\\\\\" thlath Banat \\\\\\\" not \\\\\\\" Thalathat Banat \\\\\\\" and so on . It\'s a unique rule for numbering but not for all adjectives . I figured out since Arabic and Hebrew are relative languages so it might be the same .[/quote] Hmmm.........I don\'t understand. You use masculine word for \\\"three\\\" when you count girls and vice versa? That\'s rare. I didn\'t know that. Or maybe I don\'t understand something. For example, tell me if it\'s right: 5 men - hamas rigal 5 girls - hamsat banat If it\'s right which of them is feminine and which masculine, coz I am really confused now.... Anyway, in Hebrew, if the gender of the word is male, you use \\\"male\\\" number and if feminine - feminine. For example: ספר - book is masculine ------> חמישה ספרים - five books. מחברת - paper notebook is feminine ------> שלוש מחברות שולחן - table is masculie ------> שולחן אחד, ארבעה שולחנות (pay attention that שולחן although is masculine has a feminine ending (-ot)! For non-native is\'t really confusing, but in the beginning it shouldn\'t bother you too much. But remember, what defines whether it\'s ארבעה or ארבע is a gender and not the ending!) [/quote] Well maybe it\'s not common in day-to-day Arabic . But it\'s the rule in Standard Arabic when using numbers from 3 to 10 . Anyway I got your point about the mesparim in Hebrew .
	roeeh	Friday 14th of July 2006 06:47:41 PM
	- ok, as a speaker of both hebrew and arabic i think i can make a little order in the little mess you got here: basically, it works exactly the same in both languages. from some historic reason (i have no idea why) the numeriucal masculine and feminine forms got swaped and therefore the masculine set of numbers has a feminine structue, or form: in hebrew they end with \"ה\" which is usually characteristic for feminine forms. in arabic it\'s even more extreme because they end with \"ta marbuta\" (ة ), which is used solely to indicate feminine words. despite the feminine form, they are masculine and are used to describe masculine nouns. for example, three houses (masculine nouns in both languages): שלושה בתים - shlosha batim ثلاثة بيوت - thalathat buyut the nouns are masculine, the adjectives (numbers) are masculine, but the gramatical forms LOOK like feminine ones. and vice versa - three families (feminine in both languages): שלוש משפחות - shalosh mishpakhot ثلاث عائلات - thalath a\'ilat the nouns and adjectives are feminine but the forms LOOK like masculine forms. in both languages i can\'t recall other cases where feminine-looking forms are used as masculine forms or the other way around. the bottom line is that it\'s just a surface irregular form both in hebrew and in arabic and you just have to remember that masculine numbers look feminine although they are not, and feminine numbers look masculine although they are not. as always, looks are deceiving... hope it\'s a little clearer now.
	Eli	Saturday 15th of July 2006 03:46:36 AM
	- O.K. Thanks! Now I see that I should have said: \"hamas banat\" and \"hamasat rigal\" and not as I wrote, right?
	roeeh	Saturday 15th of July 2006 03:54:45 PM
	- correct.