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pretorious Wednesday 04th of May 2005 12:12:06 PM
Suggestion - For all those who haven't yet found any help on hindi. They can start on there own and post on this site any queries they have. I gave it as a Suggestion coz I haven't seen any one do that yet.

You can ask for translation on phrases or any other stuff. i can see many hindi speakers on this forum, and they would for sure reply to you. You can categorise your posts like : "help with greeting phrases" etc. This could be one good way to start and might help others who are joining in for a intro. with this language.

namaste..

Avi Wednesday 17th of August 2005 03:22:27 AM
- इनमें से मैं भी एक हूँ।
(inmeṁ se maiṁ bhī ek hū.)
I am one of them.

हम आपकी सहायता करने में तत्पर हैं।
(ham āpkī sahāytā karne meṁ tatpar haiṁ.)
We are ready to help you.

Neila Thursday 18th of August 2005 06:16:19 PM
- okay, then I\'ll start:
as I\'m an absolute beginner in hindi, I\'d like to know when I have to use yah/ye or vah/ve. It is said that yah/ye is for things near to and vah/ve for things far form you. or that yah/ye = this/these and vah/ve = that/those.
Is that true?

could you perhaps explain me the use of yah etc giving some examples?
thanks in advance

pretorious Thursday 18th of August 2005 08:41:32 PM
-
you are right about yeh and vah (for 'this' and 'that')..

for examples lets see..

'this is a nice place' :: yah achi jagah hai

'that is a nice place' ::: voh achi jagah hai

---

'that looks beautiful' ::: voh sunder dikh raha hai

'this looks beautiful' ::: yeah sunder hai raha hai

---

Avi Friday 19th of August 2005 02:23:15 AM
yah / vah - Not only for lifless things, yah and vah is also used for persons and can also mean he or she.
यह मेरा भा ई है। yah merā bhāī hai.= He is my brother. But the brother is near the speaker.
वह मेरा भाई है। vah merā bhāī hai. = He is my brother. The brother is elsewhere.
In Hindi there is no gender difference in pronouns.

Neila Monday 22nd of August 2005 12:33:00 AM
- okay, here comes the next question (or questions):
1.) what is the gender of the following nouns?
kaal
khaal
chhaal
baal
bhaal
khaanaa (or is it only a verb?)
yaar
qalam
I really don't know why the gender of these nouns isn't printed in the book.

2.) there are some ways to say "How are you?" "I'm fine" presented in the book
a) kyaa haal hai? -> thiik hai or meraa haal thiik hai
b) aapke mizaaj kaise hai.n? -> allaah ka shukra hai.
c) sab xairiyat hai -> meharbaanii hai.
d) aap kaise hai.n? -> Main thiik hoo.n or thiik hoo.n
Are the answers interchangeable? could I answer question b with answer c for example or are that combinations that can't be changed?

3.) it is said that in India one is greeted according to his religion and that namaste is the hindu greeting, while sat sri akaal is for sikhs and salaam for muslims. Would a muslim or a sikh be very offended if I'd greet him with namaste or a hindu if greeted with salaam?

so many more questions... but I think some of them are really stupid (although it's always said that there aren't any stupid questions, only the ones you don't aks). however, perhaps I'll ask them the next time

Avi Tuesday 23rd of August 2005 09:58:09 PM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by Neila[/i]

1.) what is the gender of the following nouns?
kaal
khaal
chhaal
baal
bhaal
khaanaa (or is it only a verb?)
yaar
qalam[/quote]
All these words are masculin, except khaal/खाल and bhaal /भाल are feminine. I don't know qalam. Must be Urdu.

[quote]2.) there are some ways to say "How are you?" "I'm fine" presented in the book
a) kyaa haal hai? -> thiik hai or meraa haal thiik hai
b) aapke mizaaj kaise hai.n? -> allaah ka shukra hai.
c) sab xairiyat hai -> meharbaanii hai.
d) aap kaise hai.n? -> Main thiik hoo.n or thiik hoo.n
Are the answers interchangeable? could I answer question b with answer c for example or are that combinations that can't be changed?[/quote]
This is Urdu. Non-muslims never say Allah.
Common is: आप कैसे हैं ? / āp kaise haiṁ ?
मैं ठीक हूँ। / maiṁ ṭhīk hūṁ.
or
क्या हाल है आपका ? / kyā hāl hai āpkā ?
Answer also: मैं ठीक हूँ। / maiṁ ṭhīk hūṁ.

[quote]3.) it is said that in India one is greeted according to his religion and that namaste is the hindu greeting, while sat sri akaal is for sikhs and salaam for muslims. Would a muslim or a sikh be very offended if I'd greet him with namaste or a hindu if greeted with salaam?
[/quote]
नमस्ते /namaste or नमस्कार /namaskār are no religious greetings. There is nothing of god in these greetings.
Christians use them also.

Neila Wednesday 24th of August 2005 02:21:25 AM
- thanks a lot avi.
I see. I bought a "very good" book. I bought it because it's the coursebook used at the nearby adult college. sh** and I can't afford bying another book.
I hope you all don't mind if I'll post some other stupid questions like these in the days to come. And if you do please say it.

abelklein Thursday 25th of August 2005 04:32:58 AM
- just to complete the answer to your query qalam क़लम, is a feminine noun. a lot of hindi speakers today (especially urban ones) would just use the word "pen"

on the subject of greetings, a non religious greeting which a hindu might exchange with a muslim friend would be:
[b]aadaab arz hai[/b], or simply [b]aadaab[/b] (basically this simply means an exchange of courtesy - aadaab = courtesy)

confused? you will be :)

Neila Tuesday 06th of September 2005 09:55:51 PM
- oh yes abelklein, i'm very confused, but I hope that I'll understand all those nuances sometime.
However here comes the next question:
I'd like to learn the names of the months and days, but the problem is that I've found different spellings of the months.
Unfortunately I'm not able to post the spellings I've found although I use Itranslator99 (and it's possible to copy & paste what I've written into a word-document but not into this forum). So I just ask you to be so kind and post the devanagari version of the months (january to december) and the weekdays (monday to sunday).
Thanks to all

abelklein Wednesday 07th of September 2005 07:09:14 PM
months/days of the week - i am not surprised that you have found different spellings for the months as these are really loan words from english (the old hindi names for the months are hardly used at all now) and the spellings are not totally standard. these are my versions:
[size=1.5]जनवरी; फ़र्बरी; मार्च; अप्रैल; मई; जून; जुलाई; अगस्त; सितंबर; अक्तूबर; नवंबर;दिसंबर[/size]. you may have seen for example [size=1.5]सितंबर[/size] spelt as [size=1.5]सितम्बर[/size]. this would be the old fashioned way to spell a word like this (although i prefer it). the modern convention is to replace the "half ma" with the dot.

the days of the week (monday to sunday):
[size = 1.5]सोमवार; मंगलवार; बुधवार; बृहस्पतीवार/गुरुवार; शुक्रवार; शनीवार/शनिश्चरवार; रवीवार[/size]

fyi the days of the week correspond to heavenly bodies: moon, mars, mercury. saturn, venus, saturn, sun. (guruvar, sometimes used for thursday is the exception)

abelklein Wednesday 07th of September 2005 07:17:52 PM
- i got my formatting wrong in the previous post so am reposting it:

i am not surprised that you have found different spellings for the months as these are really loan words from english (the old hindi names for the months are hardly used at all now) and the spellings are not totally standard. these are my versions:
[size=+1.5]जनवरी; फ़र्बरी; मार्च; अप्रैल; मई; जून; जुलाई; अगस्त; सितंबर; अक्तूबर; नवंबर;दिसंबर[/size]. you may have seen for example [size=+1.5]सितंबर[/size] spelt as [size=+1.5]सितम्बर[/size]. this would be the old fashioned way to spell a word like this (although i prefer it). the modern convention is to replace the "half ma" with the dot.

the days of the week (monday to sunday):
[size=+1.5]सोमवार; मंगलवार; बुधवार; बृहस्पतीवार/गुरुवार; शुक्रवार; शनीवार/शनिश्चरवार; रवीवार[/size]

fyi the days of the week correspond to heavenly bodies: moon, mars, mercury. saturn, venus, saturn, sun. (guruvar, sometimes used for thursday is the exception)[/quote]

abelklein Thursday 08th of September 2005 01:58:35 AM
days of the week - another blunder! days of the week correspond to:
moon; mars; mercury; jupiter!; venus; saturn; sun

i think i'm finally finished with this post!

Neila Monday 12th of September 2005 04:13:17 AM
- I just saw that my last post didn\'t appear, so I\'ll post it again:

first of all: thanks again
then a question concerning the weekdays: I\'ve found them almost all with short i instead of the long i you spelled them (in the first words for thursday and saturday and in in the word for sunday), are both ways possible or is the short i-version wrong?
Furthermore I\'d like to know the gender of the months and weekdays.
Thanks

abelklein Monday 12th of September 2005 05:44:31 PM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by Neila[/i]

I just saw that my last post didn't appear, so I'll post it again:

first of all: thanks again
then a question concerning the weekdays: I've found them almost all with short i instead of the long i you used to spell them (in the first words for thursday and saturday and in in the word for sunday), are both ways possible or is the short i-version wrong?
Furthermore would I like to know the gender of the months and weekdays.
Thanks[/quote]

my mistake neila. i should have used a short i for all those words. secondly the months and days of the week are all masculine nouns.

abelklein Monday 12th of September 2005 05:55:04 PM
days of the week - further to my previous posts i have recently learned that the word [size=+1.2]गुरु[/size] (guru) is also a name for brihaspati ([size=+1.2]बृहस्पति[/size]) or jupiter. so all the names for the days of the week in fact correspond to heavenly bodies. just thought i'd let you for the sake of completeness!

i think i really am finished with this post now!

Neila Tuesday 13th of September 2005 05:07:04 AM
- thanks so much for all your effort abelklein.

yoonbestfriend Sunday 16th of October 2005 03:32:45 PM
- hey,
i can also help with hindi.my msn id is thecutestgul@hotmail.com.4 my e mail ids please check out my profile coz writng them takes time n i hate that
yoon

Phrasebase Archive
	pretorious	Wednesday 04th of May 2005 12:12:06 PM
	Suggestion - For all those who haven't yet found any help on hindi. They can start on there own and post on this site any queries they have. I gave it as a Suggestion coz I haven't seen any one do that yet. You can ask for translation on phrases or any other stuff. i can see many hindi speakers on this forum, and they would for sure reply to you. You can categorise your posts like : "help with greeting phrases" etc. This could be one good way to start and might help others who are joining in for a intro. with this language. namaste..
	Avi	Wednesday 17th of August 2005 03:22:27 AM
	- इनमें से मैं भी एक हूँ। (inmeṁ se maiṁ bhī ek hū.) I am one of them. हम आपकी सहायता करने में तत्पर हैं। (ham āpkī sahāytā karne meṁ tatpar haiṁ.) We are ready to help you.
	Neila	Thursday 18th of August 2005 06:16:19 PM
	- okay, then I\'ll start: as I\'m an absolute beginner in hindi, I\'d like to know when I have to use yah/ye or vah/ve. It is said that yah/ye is for things near to and vah/ve for things far form you. or that yah/ye = this/these and vah/ve = that/those. Is that true? could you perhaps explain me the use of yah etc giving some examples? thanks in advance
	pretorious	Thursday 18th of August 2005 08:41:32 PM
	- you are right about yeh and vah (for 'this' and 'that').. for examples lets see.. 'this is a nice place' :: yah achi jagah hai 'that is a nice place' ::: voh achi jagah hai --- 'that looks beautiful' ::: voh sunder dikh raha hai 'this looks beautiful' ::: yeah sunder hai raha hai ---
	Avi	Friday 19th of August 2005 02:23:15 AM
	yah / vah - Not only for lifless things, yah and vah is also used for persons and can also mean he or she. यह मेरा भा ई है। yah merā bhāī hai.= He is my brother. But the brother is near the speaker. वह मेरा भाई है। vah merā bhāī hai. = He is my brother. The brother is elsewhere. In Hindi there is no gender difference in pronouns.
	Neila	Monday 22nd of August 2005 12:33:00 AM
	- okay, here comes the next question (or questions): 1.) what is the gender of the following nouns? kaal khaal chhaal baal bhaal khaanaa (or is it only a verb?) yaar qalam I really don't know why the gender of these nouns isn't printed in the book. 2.) there are some ways to say "How are you?" "I'm fine" presented in the book a) kyaa haal hai? -> thiik hai or meraa haal thiik hai b) aapke mizaaj kaise hai.n? -> allaah ka shukra hai. c) sab xairiyat hai -> meharbaanii hai. d) aap kaise hai.n? -> Main thiik hoo.n or thiik hoo.n Are the answers interchangeable? could I answer question b with answer c for example or are that combinations that can't be changed? 3.) it is said that in India one is greeted according to his religion and that namaste is the hindu greeting, while sat sri akaal is for sikhs and salaam for muslims. Would a muslim or a sikh be very offended if I'd greet him with namaste or a hindu if greeted with salaam? so many more questions... but I think some of them are really stupid (although it's always said that there aren't any stupid questions, only the ones you don't aks). however, perhaps I'll ask them the next time
	Avi	Tuesday 23rd of August 2005 09:58:09 PM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by Neila[/i] 1.) what is the gender of the following nouns? kaal khaal chhaal baal bhaal khaanaa (or is it only a verb?) yaar qalam[/quote] All these words are masculin, except khaal/खाल and bhaal /भाल are feminine. I don't know qalam. Must be Urdu. [quote]2.) there are some ways to say "How are you?" "I'm fine" presented in the book a) kyaa haal hai? -> thiik hai or meraa haal thiik hai b) aapke mizaaj kaise hai.n? -> allaah ka shukra hai. c) sab xairiyat hai -> meharbaanii hai. d) aap kaise hai.n? -> Main thiik hoo.n or thiik hoo.n Are the answers interchangeable? could I answer question b with answer c for example or are that combinations that can't be changed?[/quote] This is Urdu. Non-muslims never say Allah. Common is: आप कैसे हैं ? / āp kaise haiṁ ? मैं ठीक हूँ। / maiṁ ṭhīk hūṁ. or क्या हाल है आपका ? / kyā hāl hai āpkā ? Answer also: मैं ठीक हूँ। / maiṁ ṭhīk hūṁ. [quote]3.) it is said that in India one is greeted according to his religion and that namaste is the hindu greeting, while sat sri akaal is for sikhs and salaam for muslims. Would a muslim or a sikh be very offended if I'd greet him with namaste or a hindu if greeted with salaam? [/quote] नमस्ते /namaste or नमस्कार /namaskār are no religious greetings. There is nothing of god in these greetings. Christians use them also.
	Neila	Wednesday 24th of August 2005 02:21:25 AM
	- thanks a lot avi. I see. I bought a "very good" book. I bought it because it's the coursebook used at the nearby adult college. sh** and I can't afford bying another book. I hope you all don't mind if I'll post some other stupid questions like these in the days to come. And if you do please say it.
	abelklein	Thursday 25th of August 2005 04:32:58 AM
	- just to complete the answer to your query qalam क़लम, is a feminine noun. a lot of hindi speakers today (especially urban ones) would just use the word "pen" on the subject of greetings, a non religious greeting which a hindu might exchange with a muslim friend would be: [b]aadaab arz hai[/b], or simply [b]aadaab[/b] (basically this simply means an exchange of courtesy - aadaab = courtesy) confused? you will be :)
	Neila	Tuesday 06th of September 2005 09:55:51 PM
	- oh yes abelklein, i'm very confused, but I hope that I'll understand all those nuances sometime. However here comes the next question: I'd like to learn the names of the months and days, but the problem is that I've found different spellings of the months. Unfortunately I'm not able to post the spellings I've found although I use Itranslator99 (and it's possible to copy & paste what I've written into a word-document but not into this forum). So I just ask you to be so kind and post the devanagari version of the months (january to december) and the weekdays (monday to sunday). Thanks to all
	abelklein	Wednesday 07th of September 2005 07:09:14 PM
	months/days of the week - i am not surprised that you have found different spellings for the months as these are really loan words from english (the old hindi names for the months are hardly used at all now) and the spellings are not totally standard. these are my versions: [size=1.5]जनवरी; फ़र्बरी; मार्च; अप्रैल; मई; जून; जुलाई; अगस्त; सितंबर; अक्तूबर; नवंबर;दिसंबर[/size]. you may have seen for example [size=1.5]सितंबर[/size] spelt as [size=1.5]सितम्बर[/size]. this would be the old fashioned way to spell a word like this (although i prefer it). the modern convention is to replace the "half ma" with the dot. the days of the week (monday to sunday): [size = 1.5]सोमवार; मंगलवार; बुधवार; बृहस्पतीवार/गुरुवार; शुक्रवार; शनीवार/शनिश्चरवार; रवीवार[/size] fyi the days of the week correspond to heavenly bodies: moon, mars, mercury. saturn, venus, saturn, sun. (guruvar, sometimes used for thursday is the exception)
	abelklein	Wednesday 07th of September 2005 07:17:52 PM
	- i got my formatting wrong in the previous post so am reposting it: i am not surprised that you have found different spellings for the months as these are really loan words from english (the old hindi names for the months are hardly used at all now) and the spellings are not totally standard. these are my versions: [size=+1.5]जनवरी; फ़र्बरी; मार्च; अप्रैल; मई; जून; जुलाई; अगस्त; सितंबर; अक्तूबर; नवंबर;दिसंबर[/size]. you may have seen for example [size=+1.5]सितंबर[/size] spelt as [size=+1.5]सितम्बर[/size]. this would be the old fashioned way to spell a word like this (although i prefer it). the modern convention is to replace the "half ma" with the dot. the days of the week (monday to sunday): [size=+1.5]सोमवार; मंगलवार; बुधवार; बृहस्पतीवार/गुरुवार; शुक्रवार; शनीवार/शनिश्चरवार; रवीवार[/size] fyi the days of the week correspond to heavenly bodies: moon, mars, mercury. saturn, venus, saturn, sun. (guruvar, sometimes used for thursday is the exception)[/quote]
	abelklein	Thursday 08th of September 2005 01:58:35 AM
	days of the week - another blunder! days of the week correspond to: moon; mars; mercury; jupiter!; venus; saturn; sun i think i'm finally finished with this post!
	Neila	Monday 12th of September 2005 04:13:17 AM
	- I just saw that my last post didn\'t appear, so I\'ll post it again: first of all: thanks again then a question concerning the weekdays: I\'ve found them almost all with short i instead of the long i you spelled them (in the first words for thursday and saturday and in in the word for sunday), are both ways possible or is the short i-version wrong? Furthermore I\'d like to know the gender of the months and weekdays. Thanks
	abelklein	Monday 12th of September 2005 05:44:31 PM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by Neila[/i] I just saw that my last post didn't appear, so I'll post it again: first of all: thanks again then a question concerning the weekdays: I've found them almost all with short i instead of the long i you used to spell them (in the first words for thursday and saturday and in in the word for sunday), are both ways possible or is the short i-version wrong? Furthermore would I like to know the gender of the months and weekdays. Thanks[/quote] my mistake neila. i should have used a short i for all those words. secondly the months and days of the week are all masculine nouns.
	abelklein	Monday 12th of September 2005 05:55:04 PM
	days of the week - further to my previous posts i have recently learned that the word [size=+1.2]गुरु[/size] (guru) is also a name for brihaspati ([size=+1.2]बृहस्पति[/size]) or jupiter. so all the names for the days of the week in fact correspond to heavenly bodies. just thought i'd let you for the sake of completeness! i think i really am finished with this post now!
	Neila	Tuesday 13th of September 2005 05:07:04 AM
	- thanks so much for all your effort abelklein.
	yoonbestfriend	Sunday 16th of October 2005 03:32:45 PM
	- hey, i can also help with hindi.my msn id is thecutestgul@hotmail.com.4 my e mail ids please check out my profile coz writng them takes time n i hate that yoon