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BCS
Sunday 20th of May 2007 02:04:37 AM
Phrasebase Wikipedia: I'm creating a wikipedia article on Phrasebase, translations are welcome


BCS
Sunday 20th of May 2007 04:41:48 AM
Sorry Everyone, Wikipedia won't let me because Phrasebase is not distributed in any form but in a website. PETITION WIKIPEIDA!


kate636363
Sunday 20th of May 2007 05:07:23 AM
awww that's a shame! :(


ScottM
Sunday 20th of May 2007 06:48:03 AM
There used to be an English language article on Wikipedia. Some of us started working on a project to get the article in sevearl different languages just for the fun of it, and we got hit with several Wikipeia members saying we were participating in self-advertising which certainly wasn't true. We just thought it would be a fun project. If you ever do manage to post the article, don't let the articles in other languages be direct translations that was one of the reasons they said we were self-advertising.

The funny thing was, most of us who were participating weren't moderators/administrators. How could that be self-advertising???


BCS
Sunday 20th of May 2007 08:18:20 AM
Yeah, that's what they said to me.


leobloom
Sunday 20th of May 2007 06:44:11 PM
uhm I can't getthis, how come private companies like Microsoft or th Britannica are allowed to have their own entry on the Wiki and a free, open and public community like us cannot? Are you sure those bannig our entry weren't memebers of other language communities?! That the only logc reason that would exaplain that?
I demand a formal protest to the Wiki! A similar site like Unilang has its won entry, their entry had been nominated for deletion in 2005 but eventualy kept!! We could use that result to keep our enry active too! Rules are the same for everyone, if they can have it we can have it too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unilang


BCS
Sunday 20th of May 2007 08:00:04 PM
It's because Phrasebase only distributes their media through the internet while Microsoft and Brittanica distrubute their media other ways too and are public companies


leobloom
Monday 21st of May 2007 01:00:22 AM
uhm as far as I know MIcrosoft and Britanica are not public atall since they belong to somebody.
And btw, the reason that PB can't have a page coz it's onlyan internet resource simply doesntmake sense since nowadays atlest 50% of world infor IS on the web :D those atthe wiki should know that :D all in all even the Wiki itself is only internt-based lol :D and how come other sites can have their entry? Even similar ones!! Check that link bout the Unilang community.


BCS
Monday 21st of May 2007 01:40:48 AM
Here in the U.S. a "public" company just means that it is on the stock market, and people can buy shares in it, therefore, it isn't really private, because anyone can own at least one share of it.


Danial
Monday 21st of May 2007 03:10:05 AM
As far as I remember, the article was considered for deletion because the way it was written sounded like an advertisement. Unless we can find someone who's able to write it in a neutral way, it's probably up for deletion again we tried. We'd need a really good copyrighter for that! :D


ScottM
Wednesday 23rd of May 2007 08:43:18 AM
I remember the complaint of the article sounding like an advertisement, but I never could figure out why they thought that. All it did was tell about the site, the "Phrasebase method" (basically telling how all of the members help each other with the languages) and had a brief history of how Jeff founded the site.

Anyway, I finally just dropped it because I had too much to do and it wasn't worth fighting.


frogg018
Wednesday 23rd of May 2007 09:49:30 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the article that was on there originally? I'm very interested in reading it....


Ania
Wednesday 23rd of May 2007 02:05:36 PM
I do. I was translating it into Polish and saved to disk. :D Here you are:

Phrasebase [1] is the Internet's leading language learning website offering tools and services aimed at helping individuals to effectively and quickly learn a foreign language. The Phrasebase methodology, focused on memorization of phrases in effort to learn foreign languages, live language teachers via the Phrasebase online audio-video chatroom, video language learning lessons and a comprehensive phrasebook containing thousands of phrases translated into over 90 languages along with audio clips to learn pronunciation and the English alphabet spelling of various foreign language scripts.
In an interview with english-test.net, [2] Phrasebase founder, Jeff Hock, said that he started the site in 1997 to aid himself in learning Japanese for his job. He found that traditional methods such as books, tapes and CD's weren't very effective, saying, "Most do a far better of a job marketing than actually helping you learn." Following a friend's recommendation, Hock started his own "custom phrasebook."
After becoming conversational in Japanese in less than two years by using this method, Hock posted the information of his phrasebooks online to help others learn Japanese. He soon realized that this method should work for more than just Japanese. "When doing so, I realized that the same format could just as easily be applied across all languages. For instance, «How are you?« in English equals «O genki desu ka?» in Japanese which equals «Wie gehts?« in German... and so forth. Thus spawned the idea for Phrasebase."
Today, Phrasebase has almost 80,000 members with forums for dozens of languages, along with forums for every country in the world. In addition, the website contains information about every country and hundreds of languages.



FaWzY
Wednesday 23rd of May 2007 03:06:56 PM
It really looks commercial-ish, I think I can fix it up, I've been a contributer on the Arabic, English and French Wikipedia for a while now. ;)


Ania
Wednesday 23rd of May 2007 05:38:46 PM
Sounds great to me!! Just ask Scott, if you can do some changes. :)


frogg018
Thursday 24th of May 2007 08:47:42 AM
It does read very much like an advertisement, I think because of how it is organized and put together, and especially as it starts out: "Phrasebase is the Internet's leading language learning website" Also, the way Jeff is mentioned as the founder reads very much like an advertisement. That could be mentioned in a more formal/historybook type manner.

good luck if you fix some of it, Fawzy :)


ScottM
Thursday 24th of May 2007 09:22:18 AM
I didn't put the line about being the leading language learning website in there. It was there when I found the article in the first place, I guess. (It was just a stub article at the time.) I must admit, I never really noticed it. I'm bad not to notice details like that when I read things. (And, I must admit that does sound like advertisement.) As for the mention of Jeff as founder, I don't really think that sounds like a commercial. That just gives some site history.

FaWzY, if you want to work on it, go ahead. You really don't need my permission, anyway. It's public domain.

Like I said, I've washed my hands of the project. It wasn't worth the fight that ensued, but if you want to work on it, go ahead.


frogg018
Thursday 24th of May 2007 09:33:53 AM
The part with Jeff sort of sounds like promotion just in the way it is worded/put together, not in that it is mentioned, like for instance the line: "traditional methods, .....weren't very effective" seems like a classic advertisement line.

btw: Scott, it is well written, and is a good article. Wikipedia are just being sticklers about it.


FaWzY
Thursday 24th of May 2007 03:05:48 PM
Originally posted by frogg018


The part with Jeff sort of sounds like promotion just in the way it is worded/put together, not in that it is mentioned, like for instance the line: \"traditional methods, .....weren't very effective\" seems like a classic advertisement line.

btw: Scott, it is well written, and is a good article. Wikipedia are just being sticklers about it.

Haha, you noticed them, maybe you could help me fix it. :)


leobloom
Monday 28th of May 2007 04:25:46 PM
Originally posted by Ania


I do. I was translating it into Polish and saved to disk. :D Here you are:

Phrasebase [1] is the Internet's leading language learning website offering tools and services aimed at helping individuals to effectively and quickly learn a foreign language. The Phrasebase methodology, focused on memorization of phrases in effort to learn foreign languages, live language teachers via the Phrasebase online audio-video chatroom, video language learning lessons and a comprehensive phrasebook containing thousands of phrases translated into over 90 languages along with audio clips to learn pronunciation and the English alphabet spelling of various foreign language scripts.
In an interview with english-test.net, [2] Phrasebase founder, Jeff Hock, said that he started the site in 1997 to aid himself in learning Japanese for his job. He found that traditional methods such as books, tapes and CD's weren't very effective, saying, \"Most do a far better of a job marketing than actually helping you learn.\" Following a friend's recommendation, Hock started his own \"custom phrasebook.\"
After becoming conversational in Japanese in less than two years by using this method, Hock posted the information of his phrasebooks online to help others learn Japanese. He soon realized that this method should work for more than just Japanese. \"When doing so, I realized that the same format could just as easily be applied across all languages. For instance, «How are you?« in English equals «O genki desu ka?» in Japanese which equals «Wie geht's?« in German... and so forth. Thus spawned the idea for Phrasebase.\"
Today, Phrasebase has almost 80,000 members[/b[ (wiki always woants exact number with source cited) with forums for dozens of languages (how many exactly?), along with forums for every country in the world (NOT TRUE!!!). In addition, the website contains information about every country and hundreds of (which sometimes are wrong or controversial!)


OK I wrote whatI think should be chaged modified corrected etc. about this article.
If we want to create an entry on the wiki it must be exact so exact info!
btw, nobody noticed the "wie gehts" mistake :D it lacked an apostrophe!

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