Romanian Romanian Cases Game Cases: Nominative, Accusative, Genitive, Dative, Vocative

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Simeon_C
Wednesday 26th of March 2008 12:04:10 PM
Romanian Cases Game: I have a suggestion for a game that I feel would be very nice. I was hoping Lina or some of the other people that are fluent in Romanian could get things started.

My idea is to have the person above post two nouns and two letters representing two cases such as N for Nominative and D for Dative. Afterwards the next person will respond by writing two different sentences based on the two cases and the two nouns posted above. That same person will leave behind two nouns and two cases which will be used by the next person and so on and so on...

So to start things off I'll write the two nouns and the forms.

ma?in? ?i tren
N, D

The following person would then respond by writing:

1. ma?in? ?i tren
2. N: ma?ina este mai rapida decât trenul
3. D: Viteza ma?inii este mai mare decât viteza unui tren <-thanks to Lina
4. :) zâmbesc

cal ?i b?rbat
G, A


Lina
Thursday 27th of March 2008 04:12:41 AM
Simeon, it's a good game but it's a hard one:D

The changes undergo by the article(definite or indefinite) when the nouns designate the addressee(D) or the possessor(G), can be reduced to the following situations:

ui(unui cal/calului; unui scaun/scaunului) - for the masculine and neuter singular

ei(unei fete/fetei) or ii(unei masini/ma?inii) for the feminine singular

or(unor ma?ini/ma?inilor, unor cai/cailor, unor b?rba?i/b?rba?ilor) - for all three genders in the plural


3. D: not sure, someone let me know and I will update

Viteza ma?inii este mai mare decât viteza unui tren.
(The car's speed is higher than the train speed)


1. cal ?i b?rbat
2. G: Calului îi este cunoscut? vocea unui b?rbat din tribun?.
(The voice of a man from tribune is known to the horse.
3. A: Calul a fost cump?rat de un b?rbat.
(The horse was bought by a man)
4. S? zâmbesc la un joc atât de greu?!:)

Indeed, it's a very nice game!

fat? ?i b?iat
N, D




Simeon_C
Thursday 27th of March 2008 11:41:56 AM
N: Fat? ?i b?iatul sunt ferici?i
D: Îi dau fata b?iatului

(N: The girl and the boy are happy)
(D: I gave the girl to the boy)

geam si perdea
N, G



Lina
Thursday 27th of March 2008 06:32:19 PM
*fata

N: Geamul are o perdea
G: Perdeaua geamului este alb?

(N: The window has a curtain)
(G: The window's curtain is white)

carte ?i copert?
A,D





mike111
Friday 11th of April 2008 10:24:46 AM
This is an excellent practice game!

A. O citind pe cartea. (I am reading the book.)
D. El d? mea pe coper?ii. (He gave me the cover.)

pisic? ?i pe?te
G,D



Lina
Thursday 17th of April 2008 12:31:18 AM
***
A. Eu citesc cartea/I am reading the book
(timpul prezent/present tense continuous)

D. El mi-a dat coperta/He gave me the cover
(timpul trecut/past tense simple)


G. Pisica vecinului meu are un pisoi
(My neighbor's cat has one catling)

D. Mâine îi voi da pisicii un pe?te.
(Tomorrow I'll give a fish to the cat)

?uic? ?i rachiu
N,G



mike111
Thursday 15th of May 2008 06:56:51 AM
This is a great game. I've been wanting to study these cases and the pronouns for some time. Now I get the chance to.

I had no idea what each case meant. At least bt definition. In order to understand a second language correctly, it is important to be able to identify each case in a sentance. So now that I've studied for a few days I am going from memory. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

N: the subject of a verb.
(The ball fell.)
A: the direct object of a verb.
(The ball fell off the table.)
G: noun that shows possession of another noun.
(The boy's ball fell off the table)
D: a noun that is given to another noun. This can be a tangible object or an abstraction. Basically, when a noun is the receiver of an action it is the dative case. (I think :()
(I gave the teacher the book.)
(He gave the teacher the answer.)

I am still a little confused with dative. I think that both sentances " the teacher" is the noun in the dative. But it might be "the book"....

My turn:

N
?uica este s? produce cu pruni.
(Plum brandy is made with plums)

G
Gustul rachiului este foarte b?utur?.
(The brandy's taste is very sweet)


Picior ?i mân?
GD



mike111
Tuesday 27th of May 2008 08:35:30 AM
Hey! This is my post that I had submitted before my account mike000 was deleted. Although it doesn't display it in the page, when I pressed the reply button to do the next turn I am able to see it. So I am reposting. What a relief, I spent a lot of time on this :)

This is a great game. I've been wanting to study these cases and the pronouns for some time. Now I get the chance to.

I had no idea what each case meant. At least bt definition. In order to understand a second language correctly, it is important to be able to identify each case in a sentance. So now that I've studied for a few days I am going from memory. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

N: the subject of a verb.
(The ball fell.)
A: the direct object of a verb.
(The ball fell off the table.)
G: noun that shows possession of another noun.
(The boy's ball fell off the table)
D: a noun that is given to another noun. This can be a tangible object or an abstraction. Basically, when a noun is the receiver of an action it is the dative case. (I think :()
(I gave the teacher the book.)
(He gave the teacher the answer.)

I am still a little confused with dative. I think that both sentances " the teacher" is the noun in the dative. But it might be "the book"....

My turn:

N
?uica este s? produce cu pruni.
(Plum brandy is made with plums)

G
Gustul rachiului este foarte b?utur?.
(The brandy's taste is very sweet)


Picior ?i posesie
GD



Simeon_C
Tuesday 27th of May 2008 12:14:17 PM
Wow I just don't know what to write with the words you gave me.

G
posesiea piciorului a fost un pantof
(The leg's possession was a shoe)

D
piciorului a prime?te un posesiea
(The leg will receive a possession)


telefon ?i sunet
GD



Simeon_C
Tuesday 27th of May 2008 12:16:25 PM
G
sunetul telefonului a fost tare
(the telephone's ring was loud)

D
îi voi da fetei un sunet
(I will give the girl a (telephone)ring)

I don't know if this is just obvious. I've noticed that in the Dative case, when something is given to something else, then after it is given you can then combine the possessor and the object to make a sentence in the Genitive case.

Before: I gave the cat a fish. (currently the cat doesn't have the fish)
After: The cat's fish is red. (now the cat has the fish)

So one way I see it is that the Dative causes a transition of a possessor and object from Dative to the Genitive.

Secondly I learned something interesting which may be common knowledge to some people.
I just noticed that in 'îi voi da (I will give it/him/her)' îi represents the receiver and voi represents the initiator.

So îi vei dai would mean (you will give it/him/her)


mas? ?i sprijin
ND



becky
Tuesday 27th of May 2008 04:30:06 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new and my Romanian's pretty rubbish, so please feel free to correct me! But this looked like a potentially fun game, and I couldn't resist.

D
Ion mi-a dat o mas? care nu avea un sprijin!
(Ion gave me a table which didn't have a support/prop)

N
F?r? sprijin, masa a cazut.
(Without support, the table fell)

I'm not sure whether 'sprijin' should have had an article in the second sentence there.

din?i, câine
N, G



Lina
Wednesday 28th of May 2008 03:47:53 PM
Originally posted by mike111Hey! This is my post that I had submitted before my account mike000 was deleted. Although it doesn't display it in the page, when I pressed the reply button to do the next turn I am able to see it. So I am reposting. What a relief, I spent a lot of time on this :)



Bun? Mike, I hope to solve this unpleasant situation as soon as possible. My priority now is recuperating all your 253 posts! Thank you for your understanding and I'm glad to have you back on the forum:)

Lina



mike111
Wednesday 28th of May 2008 10:35:52 PM
Many thanks for your help in this matter Lina. I hope to see them all some day soon. But do not worry, all the deleted accounts in the world can't keep me away from the Romanian forum for long. :D


Lina
Saturday 31st of May 2008 10:23:58 PM
Originally posted by mike111 But do not worry, all the deleted accounts in the world can't keep me away from the Romanian forum for long. :D

Glad to know, I wasn't quite sure:D


anda
Sunday 01st of June 2008 08:24:23 PM
N: Din?ii ei sunt foarte albi ?i drep?i.( Her teeth are very white and straight.)

G: St?pânul câinelui este un om bun.( The dog's master is a kind man.)

Becky, your second sentence - F?r? sprijin, masa a c?zut- is correct.

veterinar, b?iat
Ac, Vocative


mike111
Monday 02nd of June 2008 01:14:12 AM
Originally posted by Simeon_CWow I just don't know what to write with the words you gave me.

G
posesiea piciorului a fost un pantof
(The leg's possession was a shoe)

D
piciorului a prime?te un posesiea
(The leg will receive a possession)


telefon ?i sunet
GD


My apologies simeon, on dictionare.com if you translate "hand" from English to Romanian it returns "Posesie" as the second choice. I was at work when I did that post and didn't cross-reference it like I usually do. Hand was my intended word. Your sentences are very funny. :D:D



mike111
Monday 02nd of June 2008 02:01:32 AM
A:
B?iatul a vorbit cu veteranul doctor despre câine lui 'Lucky'. (The boy spoke to the veterinary doctor about his dog 'Lucky'.)

V:
B?iate! Vei merge ta câine la veteranul. (Boy! Take your dog to the veterinary.)


A,N
?arpe,gaur? (snake, hole)



anda
Monday 02nd of June 2008 12:41:59 PM
Originally posted by mike111A:
B?iatul a vorbit cu veteranul doctor despre câine lui 'Lucky'. (The boy spoke to the veterinary doctor about his dog 'Lucky'.)

V:
B?iate! Vei merge ta câine la veteranul. (Boy! Take your dog to the veterinary.)


A,N
?arpe,gaur? (snake, hole)


Mike you seem to have not got the sentences right. If you allow me to correct them:
B?iatul a vorbit cu veterinarul despre cîinele lui Lucky.
The boy spoke to the vet about his dog Lucky.

B?iete, du-?i cîinele la veterinar!
Boy, take your dog to the vet!
to take- a duce, a lua




mike111
Tuesday 03rd of June 2008 12:56:11 AM

Mike you seem to have not got the sentences right. If you allow me to correct them:
B?iatul a vorbit cu veterinarul despre cîinele lui Lucky.
The boy spoke to the vet about his dog Lucky.

B?iete, du-?i cîinele la veterinar!
Boy, take your dog to the vet!
to take- a duce, a lua



Thanks Anda, Please do not hesitate to correct my errors as you see fit. In fact, I welcome it.



anda
Saturday 07th of June 2008 10:06:58 PM
Ac: Auzisem vorbindu-se despre ?arpele acela acum ?apte ani.
I had heard people talking about that snake seven years ago.

N: Gaura în care a cazut fusese acoperit? cu un covor vechi.
The hole she fell in had been covered with an old rug.

G,Ac
br??ar?, fotografie
(bracelet, photograph)


mike111
Friday 20th of June 2008 08:05:09 PM

G,Ac
br??ar?, fotografie
(bracelet, photograph)

G: Br???rii lan? sparge mâine.
(The Bracelet's chain broke yesterday.)
Ac: El a rupt pe fotografia.
(He ripped the photograph.)

G, AC
iepuri, bomboan?
(rabbit, candy)



anda
Friday 20th of June 2008 10:21:32 PM
*The bracelet's chain broke yesterday=Lan?ul br???rii s-a rupt ieri.
yesterday=ieri
mâine=tomorrow
broke=(aici) s-a rupt; se folose?te ?i cu sensul de "a sparge"(it is also used with the meaning "a sparge")

*He ripped the photograph=El a rupt fotografia.

rabbit=iepure
iepuri=rabbits

G- Îmi place blana iepurelui aceluia.(I like that rabbit's fur.)
Ac- A fugit cu bomboana mea.(He ran away with my candy.)

N- cas?(house)
D- pisic?(cat)


anda
Friday 11th of July 2008 01:59:31 PM
How about we resurrect this thread too?:D
Ce-ar fi s? resuscit?m ?i jocul ?sta?


mike111
Friday 20th of November 2009 11:17:00 PM

N- cas?(house)
D- pisic?(cat)

Casa ta e foarte frumoasa.
(Your house is very nice.)

I-am dat pisicii un papion nou.
(I gave the cat a new bowtie.)


A - telefon (telephone)
N - câine (dog)


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