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van4eto
Wednesday 28th of November 2007 03:52:56 PM
Mi o mia: Hola,¿cómo estáis?
I´ve just started studying Spanish, this was my dream for many years. There are some similarities between Bulgarian and Spanish grammar but there is something which is totally unclear for me.
Could someone explain what's the difference between mi and mia/o, tu and tuyo/a and so on, and when I should use the long form and when the short.
I have a vague idea that mi is used when we want to emphasize on the possession of sth like
"Esta es mi casa" - This house is mine
and mio/a is used when emphasizing on which house is mine
"Esta es mia casa" - This is my house
Am I right?
And just one more thing - are these sentences correct
¿Tienes coche? Si, este es mi coche"
¿Tienes un coche? Si, este es mio coche"
¿Tiene él hijas? Si, aquellas son su hijas"
¿Tiene ella un hijo? Si, ese es suyo hijo"
I'll be very grateful if someone throws a light upon it. I can help in return if someone's interested in Bulgarian.
Adiós y gracias de antemano.



Javier
Wednesday 28th of November 2007 07:12:26 PM
No, sorry to tell you you are not right in everything of that. In some points, yes.
Mi is an adjective. You use it EXACTLY as you'd use the English my.
Mío is a possessive pronoun. If it is a pronoun, it CAN'T go with any other noun.

Your sentences are a good example to show how they both work.

¿Tienes coche?
1) Sí. Este es mi coche.
2) Sí. Este coche es mío.
¿Tienes un coche?
1) Sí. Este es mi coche.
2) Sí. Este coche es mío.

Note here, that mi and coche form a unity. Mi is telling us something about its noun.
Mío, on the other hand, is independent. It can't go with another noun, as it is already REPLACING it.

¿Tiene él hijas?
1) Sí. Aquéllas [niñas] son sus hijas.
2) Sí. Aquéllas niñas son suyas.
A litttle wierd this one if I don't mention niñas.

As you can see, it doesn't deppend on emphasis. It is just a way to say things.

Now, if you want to get into troubles, we can use it to emphazise. Let's see how:
Ese carro suyo es muy viejo.
This one is saying Su carro es muy viejo.
Actually, I cannot think of any example where I don't use the form demonstrative adjective + noun + possessive pronoun.
But this is not a very common way to say things. Please try to stay away from this form. Stick to the first two uses.


van4eto
Thursday 29th of November 2007 01:49:37 AM
Thank you Javier, that really helps. I'll try to do some exercises and see if I got it right.


Javier
Thursday 29th of November 2007 02:10:37 AM
Feel free to post them here!


van4eto
Thursday 29th of November 2007 06:28:58 PM
Originally posted by JavierFeel free to post them here!
I was just wandering if you or somebody else could check them.
Here are few examples.
¿Tienen ellos una casa? –
Sí, esta es su casa
Sí, esta es la suya.
Sí, esta casa es suya.

¿Tenéis un diccionario?
Sí, este es nuestro diccionario.
Sí, este es el nuestro.
Sí, este diccionario es nuestro.

¿Tienen ustedes coche?
Sí, este es nuestro coche
Sí, este es el nuestro.
Sí, este coche es nuestro.

¿Tiene usted un apartamento?
Sí, aquel es mi apartamento
Sí, aquel es el mío.
Sí, aquel apartamento es mío.

¿Tiene ella perros?
Sí, aquellos son su perros
Sí, aquellos son las suyas.
Sí, aquellos perros son suyas.

Here I had to put in the right forms ser, estar and tener and the right adjective.

Tengo dos hermanas y un hermano. Mi hermano Juan está casado. Su mujer es muy simpática. Ellos tienen tres hijos. Sus hijos son mis sobrinos y yo soy su tío.
Mi hermana Pilar está también casada. Antonio, su marido, es director de una fábrica textil. Su hija Carmen es muy morena y su hijo José es muy rubio.
Tenemos dos hijos. Nuestra hija es enfermera y está soltera. Su novio, Luís, es un chico muy agradable. Nuestro hijo Carlos está separado de su mujer. Nuestros nietos están con su madre.





WickedArg
Thursday 29th of November 2007 10:48:04 PM
Originally posted by van4eto

¿Tiene ella perros?
Sí, aquellos son su[color=red]s[/color] perros
Sí, aquellos son l[color=red]o[/color]s suy[color=red]o[/color]s.
Sí, aquellos perros son suy[color=red]o[/color]s.
There has to be concord in gender and number; in the pronoun suyos, the first morpheme su indicates to whom they belong, while the second one yos indicates de gender of the Direct Object. Had they been female dogs (perras) it would have been suyas and aquellas.
[img]http://www.elcasillerodenelson.com.ar/DibujoA.jpg[/img]
Originally posted by van4eto

Su hija Carmen es [color=blue]muy[/color] morena y su hijo José es [color=blue]muy[/color] rubio.
You can't be very blonde or very brunette, can you?

"Esta es mi casa" - This house is mine
"Esta es mia casa" - This is my house
I'd say:
Esta es mi casa = This is my house
Esta casa es mía = This house is mine


I think that's it.


WickedArg
Thursday 29th of November 2007 10:50:17 PM
Sorry- double post. Could someone please delete this?


van4eto
Friday 30th of November 2007 02:22:42 PM
Thank you WickedArg, this is what I needed as an explanation. In addition I found this page

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Spanish_pronouns

which really helped me /especially the tables are very well structured/ and it might be useful for other Spanish learners as well.

As for the 'muy morena' and 'muy rubio' part - this is the text I have in my text book. I also think it sounds strange but what can we do :)



Javier
Friday 30th of November 2007 07:25:48 PM
Originally posted by WickedArg
[img]http://www.elcasillerodenelson.com.ar/DibujoA.jpg[/img]

You SERIOUSLY want to revise this one. Verb ser CANNOT have direct nor indirect objects.


WickedArg
Friday 30th of November 2007 11:21:10 PM
Originally posted by Javier
You SERIOUSLY want to revise this one. Verb ser CANNOT have direct nor indirect objects.
I know it's a copulative verb, but why making it difficult when it would have been like that with any other verb?

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