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maddi5 Thursday 06th of July 2006 10:14:19 AM
Want Ur help - I want to learn Swedish language. Can someone please help me. Please provide me the alphabets and also how to spell these alphabets also.

Waiting,

Madhur

leobloom Thursday 06th of July 2006 06:11:30 PM
- Hi!
Take a look here:
http://www.phrasebase.com/forum/read.php?TID=14365

and here:
www.ielanguages.com

Hope this helps! Ha det saa bra!

Morrighan Friday 07th of July 2006 01:10:00 AM
- It\'s interesting. I mean the way you spell å. I know sometimes you can spell it like aa (it has historical reasons, too), but how about the other swedish letters? How do you spell här when you don\'t have this symbol on your computer? Do you write haer, or ha:r, or ha\"r, maybe :) I myself prefer ha:r, but I\'d like to hear a Swede\'s opinion :D And my question is about ö, too ;)

leobloom Friday 07th of July 2006 06:43:41 AM
- Ehm *blushing* I don\'t really know, i don\'t speak Swedish, I just [i]stole[/i] that writing from Norwegian and even in that lang I\'m not sure it\'s 100 % correct lol :D

Morrighan Saturday 08th of July 2006 06:39:47 PM
- :p Hehe, ok, thanx anyway! ;)

Jadokesa Sunday 09th of July 2006 12:20:12 AM
- It depends on the pronunciation of the vowel (if it is short or long), and if there are any possible conflicts with other words.

I remember an Austrian student of Swedish who once wrote \"förstor\" instead of \"förstår\" (understand). Replacing å with o is a very good way of writing non-accented Swedish... unfortuneatly, I read it as \"förstör\" (destroy) ;)

I rarely have to write without accents, but when I do, I usually use a. a: and o:, or a\' a\" and o\".

Mathieu Sunday 09th of July 2006 12:28:28 AM
- Hmm clever, though there\'s always aa, ae and oe of course :)

JohannaE Sunday 09th of July 2006 11:09:34 PM
- To write with the swedish letters on a computer isn\'t too difficult, except maybe for the å. I think all keyboards with latin letters have the ¨ on it, on my swedish one it\'s on the same key as ^ and ~ (as in ô and ñ) Strike it before the a or o and you get ä and ö (you can also get ÿ, ü, ï and ë this way). The most common substitute for å that I have seen Swedes use is à. You don\'t have to worry about it getting mixed up since the only accent we use is this one: é, and also only over that letter.

You can also make your keyboard act Swedish, in Windows XP you go to the control panel and regional settings and decide what layout you want for your keyboard. Then you restart your computer and your computer thinks you have a Swedish one. But if you do it this way you may want a note that tells you which key you should strike to get the right letter, and you also have to know that to get back your normal keyboard you have to change the settings again and restart the computer again.

And about the aa, ae and oe, I find it very difficult to read a text where all the å,ä and ö are replaced by those. Avoid them if you can :)

Mathieu Sunday 09th of July 2006 11:44:06 PM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by JohannaE[/i]

To write with the swedish letters on a computer isn\'t too difficult, except maybe for the å. I think all keyboards with latin letters have the ¨ on it, on my swedish one it\'s on the same key as ^ and ~ (as in ô and ñ) Strike it before the a or o and you get ä and ö (you can also get ÿ, ü, ï and ë this way). The most common substitute for å that I have seen Swedes use is à. You don\'t have to worry about it getting mixed up since the only accent we use is this one: é, and also only over that letter.
[/quote]

Hmm yeah some layouts have a \" (double quote) that works that way, the Dutch layout for example. However I don\'t think the English ones do as well.. I used to use a US layout precisely because I was fed up by getting \"A and \'A turned into Ä and Á all of the time :) The Swedish layout has best of both worlds since it has a special button for that stuff. But I think most other layouts won\'t have it.
So yeah all in all, installing Swedish layout like you described is best :p

If you for some reason still refuse to get that layout, note that in Word you can hold Ctrl down and then press the accent (: for ¨ for example), followed by the character. It requires some good eye-hand coordination but it works :)

Hmm I like aa ae and oe. Makes it look like Dutch, but I can\'t really read it either, though :p

JohannaE Monday 10th of July 2006 05:47:50 AM
- Teup is right, the english layouts don\'t seem to have any ¨.
And i can\'t write it with the help of Ctrl either, i only get ó, ò and ø.
So the best way seems to be installing the Swedish layout (or you can get a real Swedish keyboard, which has more symbols ;)), but the good news is that for only writing in Word you don\'t have to restart the computer, although you still have to do that for using the Swedish letters anywhere else.

Mathieu Monday 10th of July 2006 06:13:53 AM
- Oh, I see how the ø works now, I din\'t know that yet :) Well I, for one, get an ö if I do (this is ridiculous :D) *Ctrl down* *Shift down* *button which has :* *shift up* *\'o\' press* *Ctrl up* :D

Hmm I never had to restart my computer, really. Just by adding an extra layout, and then setting some short key for it (\"Key Settings...\"), it sort of works. (Maybe restart is only needed if you remove one that is currently the default, something like that. It\'s all a bit weird.)
(Note also that if you\'re using multiple layouts, it remembers which layout you use in which window. So if you\'ve been using Swedish in the one window and find it doesn\'t work in the other, you\'ll have to switch there as well, with the short key you\'ve set)

Oh well. I like my homemade layouts best :D

Axystos Monday 10th of July 2006 04:08:43 PM
- Come on, peeps, don\'t tell me you guys have never heard of the Alt button in combination with the numerical pad! :)

Alt 132, Alt 134, Alt 148.

leobloom Monday 10th of July 2006 11:36:17 PM
- I also use them for German and Norwegian =o) But I mostly forget the codes so I ended up writing them on a post-it on my screen :D

maddi5 Tuesday 11th of July 2006 12:10:55 PM
- Dear Leobloom/Rikard thanks for the help I am going through the links. So be prepared because I will ask a lot of questions.

Ur friend,

Madhur

Rikard Sunday 16th of July 2006 05:38:42 PM
- The ¨ is called [i]umlaut[/i] if i\'m not remembering wrong. Makes it easier to speak about it to know it\'s name instead of calling it just ¨.

AS leobloom said, the ASCII codes are the answer :)
http://www.lookuptables.com/

leobloom Tuesday 18th of July 2006 09:45:32 PM
- Yes, umlaut is the German and English word for the two dots on the vowel, in Italian we call it [i]dieresi[/i] su vocale turbata, literally it means umlaut on disturbed vowel =o)

ekonomistudenten Wednesday 30th of August 2006 08:56:35 AM
a question I\'ve had for a long time - I\'ve been wondering this for a year and a half: So, ä and ö are called \"a and o with an umlaut.\" So, what is the name for å? I\'ve always called it the \"a with the little cicle on top\" but I know that\'s not correct and I want to know what it\'s called before I really have to say the word to someone.

Hana Wednesday 30th of August 2006 02:32:43 PM
- Hi! In Polish students of Swedish call it \"holy \'a\'\". But I don\'t think there is a special terminology for it. Correct me if I\'m wrong, but I think it\'s just called a with a ring. Have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85

Take care,

Mathieu Thursday 31st of August 2006 02:49:16 AM
- Holy \'a\' :D That\'s great.. should remember that one.. regardless of what the actual name is ;)

Rikard Friday 01st of September 2006 05:15:49 PM
- A little halo on top eyh? lol. We don\'t call it A with anything. It has it\'s own name and isn\'t inferior to any other letter in the alphabet :)

(except R)

Phrasebase Archive
	maddi5	Thursday 06th of July 2006 10:14:19 AM
	Want Ur help - I want to learn Swedish language. Can someone please help me. Please provide me the alphabets and also how to spell these alphabets also. Waiting, Madhur
	leobloom	Thursday 06th of July 2006 06:11:30 PM
	- Hi! Take a look here: http://www.phrasebase.com/forum/read.php?TID=14365 and here: www.ielanguages.com Hope this helps! Ha det saa bra!
	Morrighan	Friday 07th of July 2006 01:10:00 AM
	- It\'s interesting. I mean the way you spell å. I know sometimes you can spell it like aa (it has historical reasons, too), but how about the other swedish letters? How do you spell här when you don\'t have this symbol on your computer? Do you write haer, or ha:r, or ha\"r, maybe :) I myself prefer ha:r, but I\'d like to hear a Swede\'s opinion :D And my question is about ö, too ;)
	leobloom	Friday 07th of July 2006 06:43:41 AM
	- Ehm blushing I don\'t really know, i don\'t speak Swedish, I just [i]stole[/i] that writing from Norwegian and even in that lang I\'m not sure it\'s 100 % correct lol :D
	Morrighan	Saturday 08th of July 2006 06:39:47 PM
	- :p Hehe, ok, thanx anyway! ;)
	Jadokesa	Sunday 09th of July 2006 12:20:12 AM
	- It depends on the pronunciation of the vowel (if it is short or long), and if there are any possible conflicts with other words. I remember an Austrian student of Swedish who once wrote \"förstor\" instead of \"förstår\" (understand). Replacing å with o is a very good way of writing non-accented Swedish... unfortuneatly, I read it as \"förstör\" (destroy) ;) I rarely have to write without accents, but when I do, I usually use a. a: and o:, or a\' a\" and o\".
	Mathieu	Sunday 09th of July 2006 12:28:28 AM
	- Hmm clever, though there\'s always aa, ae and oe of course :)
	JohannaE	Sunday 09th of July 2006 11:09:34 PM
	- To write with the swedish letters on a computer isn\'t too difficult, except maybe for the å. I think all keyboards with latin letters have the ¨ on it, on my swedish one it\'s on the same key as ^ and ~ (as in ô and ñ) Strike it before the a or o and you get ä and ö (you can also get ÿ, ü, ï and ë this way). The most common substitute for å that I have seen Swedes use is à. You don\'t have to worry about it getting mixed up since the only accent we use is this one: é, and also only over that letter. You can also make your keyboard act Swedish, in Windows XP you go to the control panel and regional settings and decide what layout you want for your keyboard. Then you restart your computer and your computer thinks you have a Swedish one. But if you do it this way you may want a note that tells you which key you should strike to get the right letter, and you also have to know that to get back your normal keyboard you have to change the settings again and restart the computer again. And about the aa, ae and oe, I find it very difficult to read a text where all the å,ä and ö are replaced by those. Avoid them if you can :)
	Mathieu	Sunday 09th of July 2006 11:44:06 PM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by JohannaE[/i] To write with the swedish letters on a computer isn\'t too difficult, except maybe for the å. I think all keyboards with latin letters have the ¨ on it, on my swedish one it\'s on the same key as ^ and ~ (as in ô and ñ) Strike it before the a or o and you get ä and ö (you can also get ÿ, ü, ï and ë this way). The most common substitute for å that I have seen Swedes use is à. You don\'t have to worry about it getting mixed up since the only accent we use is this one: é, and also only over that letter. [/quote] Hmm yeah some layouts have a \" (double quote) that works that way, the Dutch layout for example. However I don\'t think the English ones do as well.. I used to use a US layout precisely because I was fed up by getting \"A and \'A turned into Ä and Á all of the time :) The Swedish layout has best of both worlds since it has a special button for that stuff. But I think most other layouts won\'t have it. So yeah all in all, installing Swedish layout like you described is best :p If you for some reason still refuse to get that layout, note that in Word you can hold Ctrl down and then press the accent (: for ¨ for example), followed by the character. It requires some good eye-hand coordination but it works :) Hmm I like aa ae and oe. Makes it look like Dutch, but I can\'t really read it either, though :p
	JohannaE	Monday 10th of July 2006 05:47:50 AM
	- Teup is right, the english layouts don\'t seem to have any ¨. And i can\'t write it with the help of Ctrl either, i only get ó, ò and ø. So the best way seems to be installing the Swedish layout (or you can get a real Swedish keyboard, which has more symbols ;)), but the good news is that for only writing in Word you don\'t have to restart the computer, although you still have to do that for using the Swedish letters anywhere else.
	Mathieu	Monday 10th of July 2006 06:13:53 AM
	- Oh, I see how the ø works now, I din\'t know that yet :) Well I, for one, get an ö if I do (this is ridiculous :D) Ctrl down Shift down button which has : shift up \'o\' press Ctrl up :D Hmm I never had to restart my computer, really. Just by adding an extra layout, and then setting some short key for it (\"Key Settings...\"), it sort of works. (Maybe restart is only needed if you remove one that is currently the default, something like that. It\'s all a bit weird.) (Note also that if you\'re using multiple layouts, it remembers which layout you use in which window. So if you\'ve been using Swedish in the one window and find it doesn\'t work in the other, you\'ll have to switch there as well, with the short key you\'ve set) Oh well. I like my homemade layouts best :D
	Axystos	Monday 10th of July 2006 04:08:43 PM
	- Come on, peeps, don\'t tell me you guys have never heard of the Alt button in combination with the numerical pad! :) Alt 132, Alt 134, Alt 148.
	leobloom	Monday 10th of July 2006 11:36:17 PM
	- I also use them for German and Norwegian =o) But I mostly forget the codes so I ended up writing them on a post-it on my screen :D
	maddi5	Tuesday 11th of July 2006 12:10:55 PM
	- Dear Leobloom/Rikard thanks for the help I am going through the links. So be prepared because I will ask a lot of questions. Ur friend, Madhur
	Rikard	Sunday 16th of July 2006 05:38:42 PM
	- The ¨ is called [i]umlaut[/i] if i\'m not remembering wrong. Makes it easier to speak about it to know it\'s name instead of calling it just ¨. AS leobloom said, the ASCII codes are the answer :) http://www.lookuptables.com/
	leobloom	Tuesday 18th of July 2006 09:45:32 PM
	- Yes, umlaut is the German and English word for the two dots on the vowel, in Italian we call it [i]dieresi[/i] su vocale turbata, literally it means umlaut on disturbed vowel =o)
	ekonomistudenten	Wednesday 30th of August 2006 08:56:35 AM
	a question I\'ve had for a long time - I\'ve been wondering this for a year and a half: So, ä and ö are called \"a and o with an umlaut.\" So, what is the name for å? I\'ve always called it the \"a with the little cicle on top\" but I know that\'s not correct and I want to know what it\'s called before I really have to say the word to someone.
	Hana	Wednesday 30th of August 2006 02:32:43 PM
	- Hi! In Polish students of Swedish call it \"holy \'a\'\". But I don\'t think there is a special terminology for it. Correct me if I\'m wrong, but I think it\'s just called a with a ring. Have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85 Take care,
	Mathieu	Thursday 31st of August 2006 02:49:16 AM
	- Holy \'a\' :D That\'s great.. should remember that one.. regardless of what the actual name is ;)
	Rikard	Friday 01st of September 2006 05:15:49 PM
	- A little halo on top eyh? lol. We don\'t call it A with anything. It has it\'s own name and isn\'t inferior to any other letter in the alphabet :) (except R)