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karenlee Wednesday 09th of November 2005 12:24:51 AM
Selam!!! - Thank you hafakan for correcting me that terrible mistake!!

Get this idea from other language's forum,how about a Turkish Course?????? We could put all turkish lang prob here, and everything you want to know about Turkey.
Here comes mine:
1.Is Turkish a heavily stressed language??? Do most turkish words' stress are on the last syllable? If not how am i gonna tell where should the stress be?
2. what's vowel harmony all about????

Osman Wednesday 09th of November 2005 12:47:42 AM
about pronounciation in Turkish and vowel harmony - merhaba karenlee! :)

seni burada görmek çok hoş. (it is cool to see you here)

Türkçe forumuna hoşgeldin! ;) (welcome to Turkish forum!)

i made a research over the net and i found this article for you and other new learners. i hope it will be helpful for you. and when you have question, go on asking, you will get answer soon!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)

SOME NOTES ON THE TURKISH ALPHABET AND LANGUAGE

Richard Chambers / Chicago University

Since 1928, Turkish has been written in a slightly modified Latin alphabet which is very nearly phonetic.

The Turkish alphabet has 8 vowels (A E I İ O Ö U Ü ) and 21 consonants. The letters Q,W and X do not exist in Turkish. Most letters are pronounced pretty much as you would expect, but some are not. Once the phonetic value of all letters is known, then it is rather easy to pronounce any word one sees or to spell any word one hears.The following letters require explanation:

Aa = "a" as in "card" or "dark", never as "a" in"cat" or "back" ( kan = blood )

Cc = "J" as in "judge" ( can= life, soul, pronounced like "John" )

Çç = "ch" as in "church"( çay= tea, pronounced "chay", rhymes with "buy" )

Ee = "e" as in "bed" ( ekmek =bread )

Gg = "g" as in "get" ( gelin =bride )

g ( yumuşak ge [soft g] Never appears as the first letter in a word; essentially silent; sometimes lengthens preceding vowel; sometimes pronounced like "y" in "yet"
(dağ =mountain, pronounced daa , rhymes with the "baa" of "baa baa black sheep";
diğer =other, pronounced diyer )

lı( undotted "i" ) "u" as in "radium" or "i" as in "cousin" (ışık =ligth, ırmak = river )

İi( dotted "i" ) ="i" as in "sit" ( bir = one, pronounced like "beer" )

Jj = "j" as in "azure" (garaj = garage, pronounced as in French & English )

Oo = "o" as in "fold"(okul =school )

Öö German "ö" as in "König" or French "eu" as in "peur"( göl = lake, rhymes with furl)

Ss="s" as in "sing", never pronounced like a "z" as the "s" in "his"(ses = voice)

Şş="sh"as in "ship" (şey = thing, pronounced "shey" , rhymes with "hay")

Uu "oo" as in "boot" (buz = ice, pronounced like "booze")

Üü German "ü" as in "für" or French "u" as in "tu" (gül = rose)

Zz="z" as in "zoo" (beyaz = white)

Turkish belongs to the Turkic branch of the Altaic language family.The earliest Turkic inscriptions date from the 7th century C.E. and Islamic texts written in Turkic appear in the 11th century. Turkish, the language of modern Turkey, is spoken by about 60* (now 70) million people. Other important Turkic languages are Azeri (15 million speakers) and Uzbek (14 million speakers). Turkish formerly used the same alphabet as Arabic, but has been written in the Latin alphabet since 1928 as mentioned above; since 1940, Azeri and Uzbek have been written in Cyrillic but efforts are now under way to replace it with Latin.

As an Altaic language, Turkish has virtually nothing in common with English or other Indo-European languages except for some loan words, usually from French or English.

Turkish grammar is complex, but also quite regular. Its two most characteristic features are : (1) vowel harmony (vowels within a word follow certain harmonic patterns) and (2) agglutination (addition suffixes to words.) Through this process, astoundingly long word phrases can be encountered. For example, the following means, "Maybe you are one of those whom we were not able to Turkify."

Türkleştiremedigimizlerdensinizdir.

Another interesting feature is that there is no gender in Turkish.The same word , "o", for example, means "he", "she" and "it".

Turks generally call each other by their given names.For example, a man whose name is Ahmet Kuran would be called Ahmet bey( bey = Mr.), and his wife whose name is Ayşe Kuran would be called Ayşe hanım ( hanım =Ms.). Good friends drop the "bey" and "hanım". But a letter would be addressed to Bay ve Bayan Ahmet Kuran (Mr. and Mrs...).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you can find some useful words in that link.

http://www.turizm.net/turkey/info/lesson.html

kendine çok iyi bak!
take care of yourself very well!!

Natalia86 Wednesday 09th of November 2005 03:27:26 AM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by hafakan[/i]

merhaba karenlee! :)

seni burada görmek çok hoş. (it is cool to see you here)

Türkçe forumuna hoşgeldin! ;) (welcome to Turkish forum!)

i made a research over the net and i found this article for you and other new learners. i hope it will be helpful for you. and when you have question, go on asking, you will get answer soon!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)

SOME NOTES ON THE TURKISH ALPHABET AND LANGUAGE

Richard Chambers / Chicago University

Since 1928, Turkish has been written in a slightly modified Latin alphabet which is very nearly phonetic.

The Turkish alphabet has 8 vowels (A E I İ O Ö U Ü ) and 21 consonants. The letters Q,W and X do not exist in Turkish. Most letters are pronounced pretty much as you would expect, but some are not. Once the phonetic value of all letters is known, then it is rather easy to pronounce any word one sees or to spell any word one hears.The following letters require explanation:

Aa = "a" as in "card" or "dark", never as "a" in"cat" or "back" ( kan = blood )

Cc = "J" as in "judge" ( can= life, soul, pronounced like "John" )

Çç = "ch" as in "church"( çay= tea, pronounced "chay", rhymes with "buy" )

Ee = "e" as in "bed" ( ekmek =bread )

Gg = "g" as in "get" ( gelin =bride )

g ( yumuşak ge [soft g] Never appears as the first letter in a word; essentially silent; sometimes lengthens preceding vowel; sometimes pronounced like "y" in "yet"
(dağ =mountain, pronounced daa , rhymes with the "baa" of "baa baa black sheep";
diğer =other, pronounced diyer )

lı( undotted "i" ) "u" as in "radium" or "i" as in "cousin" (ışık =ligth, ırmak = river )

İi( dotted "i" ) ="i" as in "sit" ( bir = one, pronounced like "beer" )

Jj = "j" as in "azure" (garaj = garage, pronounced as in French & English )

Oo = "o" as in "fold"(okul =school )

Öö German "ö" as in "König" or French "eu" as in "peur"( göl = lake, rhymes with furl)

Ss="s" as in "sing", never pronounced like a "z" as the "s" in "his"(ses = voice)

Şş="sh"as in "ship" (şey = thing, pronounced "shey" , rhymes with "hay")

Uu "oo" as in "boot" (buz = ice, pronounced like "booze")

Üü German "ü" as in "für" or French "u" as in "tu" (gül = rose)

Zz="z" as in "zoo" (beyaz = white)

Turkish belongs to the Turkic branch of the Altaic language family.The earliest Turkic inscriptions date from the 7th century C.E. and Islamic texts written in Turkic appear in the 11th century. Turkish, the language of modern Turkey, is spoken by about 60* (now 70) million people. Other important Turkic languages are Azeri (15 million speakers) and Uzbek (14 million speakers). Turkish formerly used the same alphabet as Arabic, but has been written in the Latin alphabet since 1928 as mentioned above; since 1940, Azeri and Uzbek have been written in Cyrillic but efforts are now under way to replace it with Latin.

As an Altaic language, Turkish has virtually nothing in common with English or other Indo-European languages except for some loan words, usually from French or English.

Turkish grammar is complex, but also quite regular. Its two most characteristic features are : (1) vowel harmony (vowels within a word follow certain harmonic patterns) and (2) agglutination (addition suffixes to words.) Through this process, astoundingly long word phrases can be encountered. For example, the following means, "Maybe you are one of those whom we were not able to Turkify."

Türkleştiremedigimizlerdensinizdir.

Another interesting feature is that there is no gender in Turkish.The same word , "o", for example, means "he", "she" and "it".

Turks generally call each other by their given names.For example, a man whose name is Ahmet Kuran would be called Ahmet bey( bey = Mr.), and his wife whose name is Ayşe Kuran would be called Ayşe hanım ( hanım =Ms.). Good friends drop the "bey" and "hanım". But a letter would be addressed to Bay ve Bayan Ahmet Kuran (Mr. and Mrs...).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you can find some useful words in that link.

http://www.turizm.net/turkey/info/lesson.html

kendine çok iyi bak!
take care of yourself very well!!

[/quote]

Merhaba...

Just want to say, your quote has helped me a lot too!

Tesekkur ederim :)

xxx

Osman Wednesday 09th of November 2005 04:05:16 PM
-
rica ederim natalia (you are welcome)

when you have question about Turkish,
feel free to send your problems & questions here. ;)

i am happy it was helpful for you.

i recommend you to catch a glance at "Turkish idioms" category.

it will be useful for you!

kind regards.

Türkiyeden Selamlar!

karenlee Wednesday 09th of November 2005 06:21:35 PM
- Been very helpful, hafakan!!!
I got some probs of sahis zamirleri.
sen and siz both mean you., but are there any differences bewteen these two words?????

Rukiye Wednesday 09th of November 2005 08:17:20 PM
sen and siz - Hi,
I hope this will help;

sen = you, it is singular and informal. You would use 'sen' when talking to one person who is a friend or someone younger than you, etc.

siz = you, it is plural and/or formal. You would use 'siz' when talking to more than one person and with people you don't know and when talking to an older person and a person you respect such as your teacher etc.

Take care

Osman Wednesday 09th of November 2005 08:24:43 PM
-
merhaba Karen!!! :)

i am happy you read the answers!

here we go on. i am happy if i am able to answer!

let's check sen and siz.

sen is informal
but
siz is formal and kind usage.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples;

sen çok zekisin. you are very clever. (you say to your friend or to a person whom you know well)

siz çok zekisiniz. >> you are very clever. (it is formal and kind usage.you can use this sentence to a person whom you dont know well. for example, you can say it to your teacher.)

>>>check these examples

nasılsın? how are you? -informal-

nasılsınız? how are you? -formal&kind (for both singular and plural)

nerelisin? where are you from? -informal-

nerelisiniz? where are you from? -formal&polite-

i hope it works for you and other new learners.

go on asking and being alive in phrasebase!!! :)

görüşmek üzere!!! ;)

ps:Rukiye benden önce cevap yazdı. çok teşekkür ederim. umarım örneklerim yardımcı olur.

karenlee Sunday 20th of November 2005 03:06:02 PM
- Is there actually a website particularly for practicing pronouciation???????

Osman Sunday 20th of November 2005 04:39:48 PM
- [quote][i]Originally posted by karenlee[/i]

Is there actually a website particularly for practicing pronouciation???????[/quote]

merhaba Karen!

here you are with your questions!

dostum,
i have no doubt about your sincerity about learning Turkish..

i have found these adresses i hope this will be helpful for you...

[color=blue] http://www.turkishclass.com/pronounciation.php [/color]

**pronounciation of some useful words, vowels, consonants;
[color=blue] http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/pronsound.htm [/color]

if i find more, i will let you know ;)

take care Karen!

hoşçakal dostum! ;)

karenlee Thursday 15th of December 2005 10:50:20 PM
- Finally make up my mind to start learning turkish,seriously. Hmm, Acil bir durum:)))
Are there any structure that i can actually use?
like: biraz... isteyebilir miyim.

Osman Thursday 15th of December 2005 11:24:18 PM
- acil bir durum :) lol .. how did you learn this statement :) cool

Let's start with Simple Present Tense - Geniş Zaman

hmm i will explain it in another topic...

as soon as possible i get a new thread. just be patient Karen :)

sabırlı ol ;)

görüşürüz!

Phrasebase Archive
	karenlee	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 12:24:51 AM
	Selam!!! - Thank you hafakan for correcting me that terrible mistake!! Get this idea from other language's forum,how about a Turkish Course?????? We could put all turkish lang prob here, and everything you want to know about Turkey. Here comes mine: 1.Is Turkish a heavily stressed language??? Do most turkish words' stress are on the last syllable? If not how am i gonna tell where should the stress be? 2. what's vowel harmony all about????
	Osman	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 12:47:42 AM
	about pronounciation in Turkish and vowel harmony - merhaba karenlee! :) seni burada görmek çok hoş. (it is cool to see you here) Türkçe forumuna hoşgeldin! ;) (welcome to Turkish forum!) i made a research over the net and i found this article for you and other new learners. i hope it will be helpful for you. and when you have question, go on asking, you will get answer soon! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) SOME NOTES ON THE TURKISH ALPHABET AND LANGUAGE Richard Chambers / Chicago University Since 1928, Turkish has been written in a slightly modified Latin alphabet which is very nearly phonetic. The Turkish alphabet has 8 vowels (A E I İ O Ö U Ü ) and 21 consonants. The letters Q,W and X do not exist in Turkish. Most letters are pronounced pretty much as you would expect, but some are not. Once the phonetic value of all letters is known, then it is rather easy to pronounce any word one sees or to spell any word one hears.The following letters require explanation: Aa = "a" as in "card" or "dark", never as "a" in"cat" or "back" ( kan = blood ) Cc = "J" as in "judge" ( can= life, soul, pronounced like "John" ) Çç = "ch" as in "church"( çay= tea, pronounced "chay", rhymes with "buy" ) Ee = "e" as in "bed" ( ekmek =bread ) Gg = "g" as in "get" ( gelin =bride ) g ( yumuşak ge [soft g] Never appears as the first letter in a word; essentially silent; sometimes lengthens preceding vowel; sometimes pronounced like "y" in "yet" (dağ =mountain, pronounced daa , rhymes with the "baa" of "baa baa black sheep"; diğer =other, pronounced diyer ) lı( undotted "i" ) "u" as in "radium" or "i" as in "cousin" (ışık =ligth, ırmak = river ) İi( dotted "i" ) ="i" as in "sit" ( bir = one, pronounced like "beer" ) Jj = "j" as in "azure" (garaj = garage, pronounced as in French & English ) Oo = "o" as in "fold"(okul =school ) Öö German "ö" as in "König" or French "eu" as in "peur"( göl = lake, rhymes with furl) Ss="s" as in "sing", never pronounced like a "z" as the "s" in "his"(ses = voice) Şş="sh"as in "ship" (şey = thing, pronounced "shey" , rhymes with "hay") Uu "oo" as in "boot" (buz = ice, pronounced like "booze") Üü German "ü" as in "für" or French "u" as in "tu" (gül = rose) Zz="z" as in "zoo" (beyaz = white) Turkish belongs to the Turkic branch of the Altaic language family.The earliest Turkic inscriptions date from the 7th century C.E. and Islamic texts written in Turkic appear in the 11th century. Turkish, the language of modern Turkey, is spoken by about 60* (now 70) million people. Other important Turkic languages are Azeri (15 million speakers) and Uzbek (14 million speakers). Turkish formerly used the same alphabet as Arabic, but has been written in the Latin alphabet since 1928 as mentioned above; since 1940, Azeri and Uzbek have been written in Cyrillic but efforts are now under way to replace it with Latin. As an Altaic language, Turkish has virtually nothing in common with English or other Indo-European languages except for some loan words, usually from French or English. Turkish grammar is complex, but also quite regular. Its two most characteristic features are : (1) vowel harmony (vowels within a word follow certain harmonic patterns) and (2) agglutination (addition suffixes to words.) Through this process, astoundingly long word phrases can be encountered. For example, the following means, "Maybe you are one of those whom we were not able to Turkify." Türkleştiremedigimizlerdensinizdir. Another interesting feature is that there is no gender in Turkish.The same word , "o", for example, means "he", "she" and "it". Turks generally call each other by their given names.For example, a man whose name is Ahmet Kuran would be called Ahmet bey( bey = Mr.), and his wife whose name is Ayşe Kuran would be called Ayşe hanım ( hanım =Ms.). Good friends drop the "bey" and "hanım". But a letter would be addressed to Bay ve Bayan Ahmet Kuran (Mr. and Mrs...). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can find some useful words in that link. http://www.turizm.net/turkey/info/lesson.html kendine çok iyi bak! take care of yourself very well!!
	Natalia86	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 03:27:26 AM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by hafakan[/i] merhaba karenlee! :) seni burada görmek çok hoş. (it is cool to see you here) Türkçe forumuna hoşgeldin! ;) (welcome to Turkish forum!) i made a research over the net and i found this article for you and other new learners. i hope it will be helpful for you. and when you have question, go on asking, you will get answer soon! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) SOME NOTES ON THE TURKISH ALPHABET AND LANGUAGE Richard Chambers / Chicago University Since 1928, Turkish has been written in a slightly modified Latin alphabet which is very nearly phonetic. The Turkish alphabet has 8 vowels (A E I İ O Ö U Ü ) and 21 consonants. The letters Q,W and X do not exist in Turkish. Most letters are pronounced pretty much as you would expect, but some are not. Once the phonetic value of all letters is known, then it is rather easy to pronounce any word one sees or to spell any word one hears.The following letters require explanation: Aa = "a" as in "card" or "dark", never as "a" in"cat" or "back" ( kan = blood ) Cc = "J" as in "judge" ( can= life, soul, pronounced like "John" ) Çç = "ch" as in "church"( çay= tea, pronounced "chay", rhymes with "buy" ) Ee = "e" as in "bed" ( ekmek =bread ) Gg = "g" as in "get" ( gelin =bride ) g ( yumuşak ge [soft g] Never appears as the first letter in a word; essentially silent; sometimes lengthens preceding vowel; sometimes pronounced like "y" in "yet" (dağ =mountain, pronounced daa , rhymes with the "baa" of "baa baa black sheep"; diğer =other, pronounced diyer ) lı( undotted "i" ) "u" as in "radium" or "i" as in "cousin" (ışık =ligth, ırmak = river ) İi( dotted "i" ) ="i" as in "sit" ( bir = one, pronounced like "beer" ) Jj = "j" as in "azure" (garaj = garage, pronounced as in French & English ) Oo = "o" as in "fold"(okul =school ) Öö German "ö" as in "König" or French "eu" as in "peur"( göl = lake, rhymes with furl) Ss="s" as in "sing", never pronounced like a "z" as the "s" in "his"(ses = voice) Şş="sh"as in "ship" (şey = thing, pronounced "shey" , rhymes with "hay") Uu "oo" as in "boot" (buz = ice, pronounced like "booze") Üü German "ü" as in "für" or French "u" as in "tu" (gül = rose) Zz="z" as in "zoo" (beyaz = white) Turkish belongs to the Turkic branch of the Altaic language family.The earliest Turkic inscriptions date from the 7th century C.E. and Islamic texts written in Turkic appear in the 11th century. Turkish, the language of modern Turkey, is spoken by about 60* (now 70) million people. Other important Turkic languages are Azeri (15 million speakers) and Uzbek (14 million speakers). Turkish formerly used the same alphabet as Arabic, but has been written in the Latin alphabet since 1928 as mentioned above; since 1940, Azeri and Uzbek have been written in Cyrillic but efforts are now under way to replace it with Latin. As an Altaic language, Turkish has virtually nothing in common with English or other Indo-European languages except for some loan words, usually from French or English. Turkish grammar is complex, but also quite regular. Its two most characteristic features are : (1) vowel harmony (vowels within a word follow certain harmonic patterns) and (2) agglutination (addition suffixes to words.) Through this process, astoundingly long word phrases can be encountered. For example, the following means, "Maybe you are one of those whom we were not able to Turkify." Türkleştiremedigimizlerdensinizdir. Another interesting feature is that there is no gender in Turkish.The same word , "o", for example, means "he", "she" and "it". Turks generally call each other by their given names.For example, a man whose name is Ahmet Kuran would be called Ahmet bey( bey = Mr.), and his wife whose name is Ayşe Kuran would be called Ayşe hanım ( hanım =Ms.). Good friends drop the "bey" and "hanım". But a letter would be addressed to Bay ve Bayan Ahmet Kuran (Mr. and Mrs...). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can find some useful words in that link. http://www.turizm.net/turkey/info/lesson.html kendine çok iyi bak! take care of yourself very well!! [/quote] Merhaba... Just want to say, your quote has helped me a lot too! Tesekkur ederim :) xxx
	Osman	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 04:05:16 PM
	- rica ederim natalia (you are welcome) when you have question about Turkish, feel free to send your problems & questions here. ;) i am happy it was helpful for you. i recommend you to catch a glance at "Turkish idioms" category. it will be useful for you! kind regards. Türkiyeden Selamlar!
	karenlee	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 06:21:35 PM
	- Been very helpful, hafakan!!! I got some probs of sahis zamirleri. sen and siz both mean you., but are there any differences bewteen these two words?????
	Rukiye	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 08:17:20 PM
	sen and siz - Hi, I hope this will help; sen = you, it is singular and informal. You would use 'sen' when talking to one person who is a friend or someone younger than you, etc. siz = you, it is plural and/or formal. You would use 'siz' when talking to more than one person and with people you don't know and when talking to an older person and a person you respect such as your teacher etc. Take care
	Osman	Wednesday 09th of November 2005 08:24:43 PM
	- merhaba Karen!!! :) i am happy you read the answers! here we go on. i am happy if i am able to answer! let's check sen and siz. sen is informal but siz is formal and kind usage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples; sen çok zekisin. you are very clever. (you say to your friend or to a person whom you know well) siz çok zekisiniz. >> you are very clever. (it is formal and kind usage.you can use this sentence to a person whom you dont know well. for example, you can say it to your teacher.) >>>check these examples nasılsın? how are you? -informal- nasılsınız? how are you? -formal&kind (for both singular and plural) nerelisin? where are you from? -informal- nerelisiniz? where are you from? -formal&polite- i hope it works for you and other new learners. go on asking and being alive in phrasebase!!! :) görüşmek üzere!!! ;) ps:Rukiye benden önce cevap yazdı. çok teşekkür ederim. umarım örneklerim yardımcı olur.
	karenlee	Sunday 20th of November 2005 03:06:02 PM
	- Is there actually a website particularly for practicing pronouciation???????
	Osman	Sunday 20th of November 2005 04:39:48 PM
	- [quote][i]Originally posted by karenlee[/i] Is there actually a website particularly for practicing pronouciation???????[/quote] merhaba Karen! here you are with your questions! dostum, i have no doubt about your sincerity about learning Turkish.. i have found these adresses i hope this will be helpful for you... [color=blue] http://www.turkishclass.com/pronounciation.php [/color] **pronounciation of some useful words, vowels, consonants; [color=blue] http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/pronsound.htm [/color] if i find more, i will let you know ;) take care Karen! hoşçakal dostum! ;)
	karenlee	Thursday 15th of December 2005 10:50:20 PM
	- Finally make up my mind to start learning turkish,seriously. Hmm, Acil bir durum:))) Are there any structure that i can actually use? like: biraz... isteyebilir miyim.
	Osman	Thursday 15th of December 2005 11:24:18 PM
	- acil bir durum :) lol .. how did you learn this statement :) cool Let's start with Simple Present Tense - Geniş Zaman hmm i will explain it in another topic... as soon as possible i get a new thread. just be patient Karen :) sabırlı ol ;) görüşürüz!