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Mystic_Eyes
Saturday 12th of February 2005 02:18:39 AM
Dissapointed: Hello, is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can here me. Is there anyone at home?

It has become quite obvious to me that Welsh is the least learned language on this site and that is down right sad. Its only the most beautiful of all the Celtic languages! Come on people, lets get the ball rolling. Are you there? Well I'm here and I want to learn Welsh gosh darnit. Teach me! Cymru or Cambria -which is more proper?


omersener
Wednesday 16th of February 2005 09:07:56 PM
Cymru am byth! "Wales forever!": hi Mystic eyes, I'm with you:)
been learning the language thru the web since last
summer and I know that welsh is the best starting
point among all other celtic languages and culture
out there.I enjoy learning it, though I dont have
any chance of practicing my welsh, but...here i hope
i can help ppl with the lang and practice my welsh.
and the reason why im learning the language, well,
I love celtic culture and folklore, the language
and the folkloric songs are fascinating, etc etc:)

and remember: "Cenedl heb iaith
Cenedl heb galon"


"a nation without a language
is a nation without a heart" Welsh Proverb


omersener
Wednesday 16th of February 2005 09:10:13 PM
Cymru is more than just "Wales": and i forgot to answer your quest...far as i know, Cymru is
more popular...
and a great link: www.bbc.co.uk/wales

you can learn anything you wish to learn about welsh here,
its a "all in one" language course here..


Mystic_Eyes
Thursday 17th of February 2005 12:33:27 AM
many thanks: Thanks for the tip. I was delighted to see that you are from Turkey and have such admiration for Wales. I certainly think it's the most interesting culture on that island. Let me learn some basics and then we can learn more advanced Welsh together. I have a feeling that there are Welsh natives that use this site but don't want to teach anyone what they know. It's a shame to see a people so defeated and without pride. You would think that they would want people to learn Welsh and appreciate their renown culture. Until then take care!


Jess4
Wednesday 13th of April 2005 06:28:03 AM
I agree welsh is one of the most beautiful celtic languages.


RonaldS
Tuesday 14th of June 2005 03:33:22 PM
Learning Welsh ...: Because my girlfriend is half Dutch / half Welsh we visited her family in Wales in 2003 (would love to go more often, but that's more of a money issue ;-) ) and I was amazed ... nice people, great land.

Besides driving on the wrong ... eh .. 'other' side of the road (I know I know ;), I did noticed the Welsh language ... it's a great language and it would be nice to be able to know and pronounce some basic sentences :-) ... I mean, I couldn't learn a lot from the roadsigns only ;-)

Anyway, I hope to learn a little Welsh here at this site. I still have to check out the BBC - Wales site ...

Regards,
Ronald


geldart
Thursday 23rd of June 2005 05:29:06 AM


http://gwybodiadur.tripod.com/resource.htm - that is a good page with lots of links that might be useful for anyone learning Welsh.




Anonymous
Sunday 21st of August 2005 05:15:39 AM
Originally posted by Mystic Eyes
... I have a feeling that there are Welsh natives that use this site but don't want to teach anyone what they know. It's a shame to see a people so defeated and without pride. You would think that they would want people to learn Welsh and appreciate their renown culture. Until then take care!


hm. I don't see it that way. from my experience, Welsh is a *very* difficult language to learn without in-person instruction. the medium of online communication just does not lend itself to the study of Welsh...I know many Welsh teachers (yes! many!) who are absolutely overjoyed when they find new learners...but the task of attempting to teach someone, especially a beginner, online would be a daunting one.
for many many years, Welsh was a spoken language only, after all; if anything was written down, it was written in Latin or French, as it was considered sacrilege to write in their own language.
I would, if I were you, be careful before making such sweeping statements about how the Welsh feel about others learning their language. you may offend.






mystic eyes
Tuesday 23rd of August 2005 01:31:36 AM
wrong: Maybe I know the Welsh better than you. The comments I wrote achieved the exact results I imagined... It got people talking about Wales. Commentary in a previous empty room is a good thing. I agree that the statements were provocative and borderline offensive but the Welsh have thick skin and I think they would understand and appreciate such an outrageous attempt to stir interest in their language. Thanks Darlin'


Anonymous
Wednesday 24th of August 2005 12:03:34 PM
I am not sure why I'm bothering to dignify this with an answer.
first of all, I am most definitely NOT your "darlin'".
second, the word "provocative" is misused here: that word implies that your comment inspired others to think. A thoughtless comment cannot inspire thought.
third: you missed my entire point, which is that you were generalizing. It is as inappropriate to say "the Welsh..." as it is to say "the Americans.." for example, if one were to say "obviously the Americans are rude, since there is a guy on the forum who thinks insults are a way to gain attention, and he's American." clearly, that is not the case: we are not all rude.
you got me to answer, simply because I am bored. you will not do so again, as I can see through such childish, negative attention-seeking behaviour.
have a nice day.



Originally posted by mystic eyes


Maybe I know the Welsh better than you. The comments I wrote achieved the exact results I imagined... It got people talking about Wales. Commentary in a previous empty room is a good thing. I agree that the statements were provocative and borderline offensive but the Welsh have thick skin and I think they would understand and appreciate such an outrageous attempt to stir interest in their language. Thanks Darlin'


mystic eyes
Thursday 25th of August 2005 01:05:36 AM
Bless your heart!: ...I look at all the lonely people...


snowwhite
Monday 05th of September 2005 07:05:18 PM
Not without pride: I am English woman learning welsh in a class here in England. Our teacher is Welsh (indeed in the area where I live there are many Welsh academics) and is hugely proud of the whole class, around half of whom have no Welsh blood at all. I am surprised to hear that there might be Welsh people who don't like other people learning Welsh. All the Welsh people I know are delighted to know of non-Welsh people learning it. Particularly here in the UK - it makes a change from English people who go to Wales and are so ignorant of the importance of the language to the people there, and everything that the Welsh language represents. Our class have taken exams and collected certificates at the National Eisteddfod (a kind of celebration of Welsh culture which you must visit if you get a chance) and people there were very impressed that a class of language learners from so far away were so into it. Perhaps your only experiences of Welsh speakers has been negative, and thats a shame, because they are a very proud people.

To agree with what herwoodship said, Welsh would be a very difficult language to learn without any teaching in person, because the consonants and vowel sounds are so different to anything you will have spoken before. But online resources are good, so I think a combination of the two methods would be the most advantageous to a learner.
What I found most difficult in the beginning was the fact that the way the vowel is in English is different to Welsh and you have to really work your brain to get out of that habit. Grammar is complex - far more so than English I believe. They also have these things called mutations which don't occur elsewhere - rules which govern how the word beginning changes according to what word goes before it.

Learning welsh is difficult but ultimately rewarding. Don't be so down on the Welsh. To a few I think it would matter not whether you learn it not, but I think most would be delighted! So I would say do definately learn Welsh it's brilliant, and try not to be put off by what might seem negative views.



omersener
Wednesday 07th of September 2005 05:12:42 PM
thanks for the nice post snowwhite!: Diolch yn fawr yawn!

hi snowwhite, i'm a welsh learner from Turkey and I started learning the language last summer just out of curiousity because I read Sindarin (a constructed language) was based on Welsh. Dw i'n meddwl bod mae gymraeg yn swnio cerddoriaeth. I'm not learning welsh to show off, nor am i competent in it. Yet still i'm willing to learn to make new friends and get a feel of celtic culture, and to this the webpage of the BBC is very helpful and encouraging.

Good day to you,

Ömer


neil123
Tuesday 20th of September 2005 02:40:05 AM
Hi!
Actually "Dissapointed" is spelled "disappointed"
Well well...



lexmart
Sunday 16th of October 2005 02:42:32 PM
cymraeg (welsh): helo sut dech chi my first time on here hopefully will help my learning of the language after all i am welsh born
hwyl fawr


caeireann
Sunday 26th of February 2006 07:14:08 PM
My eyes popped out of my head when I read certain posts on this thread here. I know online our fingers get away from us in making statements we wouldn't make face to face and it is hard to gauge in what sense a person says what they say.

I also understand there may be a benefit in saying things to get a discussion going.

However I must say to make general sweeping about a nation and their sentiments and culture is just so un-waranted.

I for one who has been to Wales on a few occasions and often turn into Welsh television knows that the Welsh language is certainly alive and that a good solid number of Welsh people (and others) are interested in and proud of their country, both in and of itself and vis-à-vis England.

Just because a forum on a website is slow and small in its topics and posters, please don’t make sweeping statements about a country’s culture, people and language.

Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb gallon.
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam.


Caeireann.



Gaeltacht
Saturday 30th of September 2006 10:28:37 PM
My Welsh has its limits, but I do have basic. ;)

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